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Hereford/ Black simmentals vs. Hereford/ Black angus
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<blockquote data-quote="MF135" data-source="post: 839895" data-attributes="member: 14057"><p>I heard that! Im so tired of hearing people think you make selection solely based on which registration the animal is recorded in. Its all about the TYPE. Perhaps new distinctive terminology regarding type needs to be developed ( maybe it has I just don't know it) so that questions like BRAFORDMAN asked can be more accurately answered. Just in the small area I'm in, there is considerable difference in the type of Angus bred from one ranch to the next. Same with Hereford. I can show you some of the framiest herefords I've ever seen within about 10 miles from some that look like they're out of the 1951 Livestock Selection book I have. To suggest selection based on breed alone to someone when there are these extreme variations (and everything in between) within the breed is just irrational. I understand the thought is "generally speaking" -meaning most breeds have a standard, but I don't know if thats the case anymore. At least it's not around here. </p><p></p><p>I am so frustrated by purebred breeders who try to make their breed the "complete package" and totally disregard which traits they've forgone in their attempts. "The jack of all trades is the master of none" I can't think of any better way of putting it. Breed maternal breeds for their maternal qualities and terminal breeds likewise for theirs. </p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the fudamental problem- the fact that you "can" find equal type/style/size bulls in breeds thats characteristics should be antagonistic. When herefords inherited goggled eyes and huge frames (FB Simms) and when FB Simms inherited their black hide and became a CE breed (Angus), your Hybrid vigor theory was thrown out the window.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MF135, post: 839895, member: 14057"] I heard that! Im so tired of hearing people think you make selection solely based on which registration the animal is recorded in. Its all about the TYPE. Perhaps new distinctive terminology regarding type needs to be developed ( maybe it has I just don't know it) so that questions like BRAFORDMAN asked can be more accurately answered. Just in the small area I'm in, there is considerable difference in the type of Angus bred from one ranch to the next. Same with Hereford. I can show you some of the framiest herefords I've ever seen within about 10 miles from some that look like they're out of the 1951 Livestock Selection book I have. To suggest selection based on breed alone to someone when there are these extreme variations (and everything in between) within the breed is just irrational. I understand the thought is "generally speaking" -meaning most breeds have a standard, but I don't know if thats the case anymore. At least it's not around here. I am so frustrated by purebred breeders who try to make their breed the "complete package" and totally disregard which traits they've forgone in their attempts. "The jack of all trades is the master of none" I can't think of any better way of putting it. Breed maternal breeds for their maternal qualities and terminal breeds likewise for theirs. This is the fudamental problem- the fact that you "can" find equal type/style/size bulls in breeds thats characteristics should be antagonistic. When herefords inherited goggled eyes and huge frames (FB Simms) and when FB Simms inherited their black hide and became a CE breed (Angus), your Hybrid vigor theory was thrown out the window. [/QUOTE]
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