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<blockquote data-quote="SPH" data-source="post: 1631214" data-attributes="member: 20580"><p>We are a very data and results driven herd but measuring scrotal at weaning is 1 thing we never have done. We get all kinds of data at yearling on our sale bulls that if something isn't right like a bull couldn't pass a BSE we'll fatten him up and send him off to slaughter. We usually have a good idea what bulls are going to make the yearling pen and which ones will get steered just by what we know of them at weaning. We may have a bull or 2 we will make a decision on a few weeks after weaning but usually the cream of the crop rises to the top when you get their weaning weight and evaluate them visually. There have been times when we may have a bull that weans good but we don't like something about him like for instance his scrotal looks small or we don't like something about how he is made phenotypically and that is where some guys struggle is not knowing when to take the knife to a bull when he doesn't meet the standards you would have if you were buying a bull. If you don't think enough of a bull that you wouldn't use him in your own herd then why are you trying to sell him to someone else? </p><p></p><p>That's 1 thing that drives me nuts are are guys that keep too many bulls intact that some should have gone to the feedlot as steers then saturate the market with cheap bulls that most guys would turn into hamburger if they were their own. Saw a comment on a FB page the other week by a breeder whose family has been in the cattle business for over 100 years that said if you aren't selling your registered purebred bulls for a minimum of $2500 these days then you probably aren't making money on them with all the costs you have invested. Also anyone buying a cheap bull should be asking what kind of guarantees are they getting because if you wind up with a bunch of open cows or the bull falls apart is that breeder going to refund you or replace the bull? A reputable breeder will not hesitate to satisfy a customer as his reputation is worth more than the cost it would take to keep a customer satisfied. We have been on both ends of that problem over the years and I will tell you when you do the right thing it usually keeps the relationship on good terms that you will probably do business with them again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SPH, post: 1631214, member: 20580"] We are a very data and results driven herd but measuring scrotal at weaning is 1 thing we never have done. We get all kinds of data at yearling on our sale bulls that if something isn't right like a bull couldn't pass a BSE we'll fatten him up and send him off to slaughter. We usually have a good idea what bulls are going to make the yearling pen and which ones will get steered just by what we know of them at weaning. We may have a bull or 2 we will make a decision on a few weeks after weaning but usually the cream of the crop rises to the top when you get their weaning weight and evaluate them visually. There have been times when we may have a bull that weans good but we don't like something about him like for instance his scrotal looks small or we don't like something about how he is made phenotypically and that is where some guys struggle is not knowing when to take the knife to a bull when he doesn't meet the standards you would have if you were buying a bull. If you don't think enough of a bull that you wouldn't use him in your own herd then why are you trying to sell him to someone else? That's 1 thing that drives me nuts are are guys that keep too many bulls intact that some should have gone to the feedlot as steers then saturate the market with cheap bulls that most guys would turn into hamburger if they were their own. Saw a comment on a FB page the other week by a breeder whose family has been in the cattle business for over 100 years that said if you aren't selling your registered purebred bulls for a minimum of $2500 these days then you probably aren't making money on them with all the costs you have invested. Also anyone buying a cheap bull should be asking what kind of guarantees are they getting because if you wind up with a bunch of open cows or the bull falls apart is that breeder going to refund you or replace the bull? A reputable breeder will not hesitate to satisfy a customer as his reputation is worth more than the cost it would take to keep a customer satisfied. We have been on both ends of that problem over the years and I will tell you when you do the right thing it usually keeps the relationship on good terms that you will probably do business with them again. [/QUOTE]
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