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<blockquote data-quote="Ebenezer" data-source="post: 1549526" data-attributes="member: 24565"><p>We are not discussing the constant comparison of cheap sale barn bulls and prearranged high dollar top selling greats of the Big Boy sale bulls. Arguing extremes is extreme and avoids the discussion. </p><p></p><p>Wye was a creep based phenomenon and sought growth at the expense of female function. You mentioned Conan one time. That told the story there. Ever wonder why folks drifted away from Wye after Conan was widely used? For every cause there is a symptom. The cows you have posted pictures of are, for the commercial guy, over-conditioned and the last cow had a less than ideal udder and a ski sloped rump. Pounds never trump function in the best of cattle or in a sound breeding program. </p><p></p><p>Nobody has ever strongly proven that the constant increase of weaning weights can avoid the law of diminishing returns. To know the environmental limits and seek economical ways to up those limits in an average year is the efforts of a thinking commercial producer. That partly ties to the environmental fit of the cow based on mature weights, ability to function on the forages and feed that are economical and such. And to be totally honest, to breed year-round and to have multiple AI on cattle are symptoms of something that I would totally avoid in a breeding stock source.</p><p></p><p>You have a lot of market potential there and can place your bulls. I'm glad for you and appreciate that you follow up with buyers. I wish you the best and decades more in the business.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ebenezer, post: 1549526, member: 24565"] We are not discussing the constant comparison of cheap sale barn bulls and prearranged high dollar top selling greats of the Big Boy sale bulls. Arguing extremes is extreme and avoids the discussion. Wye was a creep based phenomenon and sought growth at the expense of female function. You mentioned Conan one time. That told the story there. Ever wonder why folks drifted away from Wye after Conan was widely used? For every cause there is a symptom. The cows you have posted pictures of are, for the commercial guy, over-conditioned and the last cow had a less than ideal udder and a ski sloped rump. Pounds never trump function in the best of cattle or in a sound breeding program. Nobody has ever strongly proven that the constant increase of weaning weights can avoid the law of diminishing returns. To know the environmental limits and seek economical ways to up those limits in an average year is the efforts of a thinking commercial producer. That partly ties to the environmental fit of the cow based on mature weights, ability to function on the forages and feed that are economical and such. And to be totally honest, to breed year-round and to have multiple AI on cattle are symptoms of something that I would totally avoid in a breeding stock source. You have a lot of market potential there and can place your bulls. I'm glad for you and appreciate that you follow up with buyers. I wish you the best and decades more in the business. [/QUOTE]
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