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<blockquote data-quote="OK Jeanne" data-source="post: 333205" data-attributes="member: 3333"><p>I think you might consider testing with GeneStar instead</p><p>of Merial - even though I know Jim Gibb and have great</p><p>respect for him...he is a classy guy for sure. We have</p><p>had previous problems with the lab they use. </p><p>When you test with GeneStar you have the advantage</p><p>that they will publish your results on their "public"</p><p>results website, which I think is a marketing advantage.</p><p></p><p>I got an email today from their office announcing that </p><p>they have verified another "find" on the 'quality'</p><p>factors:</p><p>----------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Harahan, La.; January 31st, 2007 – GeneSTAR® Quality Grade has long been the industry's only independently validated DNA product for Quality Grade or marbling. The Quality Grade test was last expanded in August of 2005. At that time, the test was based on a two marker panel. Bovigen has now received confirmation from the National Beef Cattle Evaluation Consortium, that the new, expanded four marker panel has passed their independent validation process.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>In previous studies, GeneSTAR® Quality Grade was estimated to improve Quality Grade by as much as twenty three percent. Updated studies of the new, expanded GeneSTAR® Quality Grade test, shows an improvement in percent choice of nearly thirty five percent. Other analysis have shown that when cattle are separated into low and high GeneSTAR groups, there is more than a one and a half Quality Grade difference in the average grade of the two groups. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>"We're very excited about our new, expanded Quality Grade test," said Bovigen CEO Victor Castellon. "The value of increased Quality Grade is well established in the marketplace. The difference between a Zero Star bull and an Eight Star bull for Quality Grade can be several thousand dollars over its useful life when calculating the difference in value of their offspring."</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>"We are extremely pleased with this latest product addition and will make it available to our customers as quickly as possible," said Castellon. Bovigen will begin releasing the new marker panel as of February 15th. The Quality Grade panel test, despite dramatically increasing in size of effect, will continue to sell for the same price. Upgrades of previously tested animals will be available for $25.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>"DNA testing is just beginning to become a mainstream tool," commented Calvin Gunter, Director of Corporate Development. "We feel it is very important to subject our products to some type of independent validation prior to their release. Others may choose a different route, but we think that scientific credibility is one of the things that separates us from our competition." added Gunter.</p><p>---------------------</p><p></p><p>What they are calling "quality" factors is marbling, not</p><p>tenderness---however they have gone through the same</p><p> scientific process before releasing the tenderness test</p><p>for the two calpain gene factors. The original tenderness</p><p>factor (calpastatin) was patented and they have the</p><p>only license here to test for that particular individual</p><p>tenderness gene....Merial says they test for calpastatin</p><p>but it is on a different location on the genome, and is</p><p>not (so they say) an infringement on the patent.</p><p></p><p>As far as keeping secrets go; here was my response to your inquiry about whether you had the correct email address:</p><p></p><p>"yes, correct address. I'd like to see the GeneStar tenderness results on your</p><p>breed of cattle.</p><p>cjb"</p><p></p><p>-------------------</p><p></p><p>And here was my response to you after reading your</p><p>test results:</p><p></p><p>"very disappointing results. I'm surprised that they test out even less tender than</p><p>limos. I guess you need to find some somewhere that test out tender and multiply</p><p>that bloodline. If you sell beef to the public, tenderness is the #1 factor. We </p><p>will not use any bull with less than a perfect tenderness score...and our donor</p><p>cows have perfect or near-perfect scores.</p><p>cjb</p><p> </p><p>PS. FYI the general manager of Igenity, Jim Gibb, said they had not done any</p><p>testing on your breed....the samples must have been sent in as "X-breed".</p><p>Likewise, Bovigen has no record of testing your breed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>-----------------------------</p><p></p><p>Nowhere in my notes to you did I agree to keep secret the</p><p>poor tenderness scores on your breed, or crossbreeds.</p><p>I recall the flurry of interest last fall about this breed</p><p>that so few had heard about....that's why I responded</p><p>to your email and inquired about tenderness testing.</p><p></p><p>Be brave - go for it! Get your best animals tested with</p><p>Bovigen and publish the scores. If you can find a </p><p>tender bloodline, it will be well worth the cost of the</p><p>testing for purposes of selling your seedstock.</p><p></p><p>Good luck!</p><p></p><p>P.S. I would really rather not have any more phone</p><p>messages from you left on my home phone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OK Jeanne, post: 333205, member: 3333"] I think you might consider testing with GeneStar instead of Merial - even though I know Jim Gibb and have great respect for him...he is a classy guy for sure. We have had previous problems with the lab they use. When you test with GeneStar you have the advantage that they will publish your results on their "public" results website, which I think is a marketing advantage. I got an email today from their office announcing that they have verified another "find" on the 'quality' factors: ---------------------- Harahan, La.; January 31st, 2007 – GeneSTAR® Quality Grade has long been the industry’s only independently validated DNA product for Quality Grade or marbling. The Quality Grade test was last expanded in August of 2005. At that time, the test was based on a two marker panel. Bovigen has now received confirmation from the National Beef Cattle Evaluation Consortium, that the new, expanded four marker panel has passed their independent validation process. In previous studies, GeneSTAR® Quality Grade was estimated to improve Quality Grade by as much as twenty three percent. Updated studies of the new, expanded GeneSTAR® Quality Grade test, shows an improvement in percent choice of nearly thirty five percent. Other analysis have shown that when cattle are separated into low and high GeneSTAR groups, there is more than a one and a half Quality Grade difference in the average grade of the two groups. “We’re very excited about our new, expanded Quality Grade test,” said Bovigen CEO Victor Castellon. “The value of increased Quality Grade is well established in the marketplace. The difference between a Zero Star bull and an Eight Star bull for Quality Grade can be several thousand dollars over its useful life when calculating the difference in value of their offspring.” “We are extremely pleased with this latest product addition and will make it available to our customers as quickly as possible,” said Castellon. Bovigen will begin releasing the new marker panel as of February 15th. The Quality Grade panel test, despite dramatically increasing in size of effect, will continue to sell for the same price. Upgrades of previously tested animals will be available for $25. “DNA testing is just beginning to become a mainstream tool,” commented Calvin Gunter, Director of Corporate Development. “We feel it is very important to subject our products to some type of independent validation prior to their release. Others may choose a different route, but we think that scientific credibility is one of the things that separates us from our competition.” added Gunter. --------------------- What they are calling "quality" factors is marbling, not tenderness---however they have gone through the same scientific process before releasing the tenderness test for the two calpain gene factors. The original tenderness factor (calpastatin) was patented and they have the only license here to test for that particular individual tenderness gene....Merial says they test for calpastatin but it is on a different location on the genome, and is not (so they say) an infringement on the patent. As far as keeping secrets go; here was my response to your inquiry about whether you had the correct email address: "yes, correct address. I'd like to see the GeneStar tenderness results on your breed of cattle. cjb" ------------------- And here was my response to you after reading your test results: "very disappointing results. I'm surprised that they test out even less tender than limos. I guess you need to find some somewhere that test out tender and multiply that bloodline. If you sell beef to the public, tenderness is the #1 factor. We will not use any bull with less than a perfect tenderness score...and our donor cows have perfect or near-perfect scores. cjb PS. FYI the general manager of Igenity, Jim Gibb, said they had not done any testing on your breed....the samples must have been sent in as "X-breed". Likewise, Bovigen has no record of testing your breed. ----------------------------- Nowhere in my notes to you did I agree to keep secret the poor tenderness scores on your breed, or crossbreeds. I recall the flurry of interest last fall about this breed that so few had heard about....that's why I responded to your email and inquired about tenderness testing. Be brave - go for it! Get your best animals tested with Bovigen and publish the scores. If you can find a tender bloodline, it will be well worth the cost of the testing for purposes of selling your seedstock. Good luck! P.S. I would really rather not have any more phone messages from you left on my home phone. [/QUOTE]
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