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<blockquote data-quote="edrsimms" data-source="post: 697289" data-attributes="member: 10970"><p>LOL here we go again. Milk fever, unlike your answer, happens when the cow has relied too heavily on the calcium from her diet and when she is in need of calcium during birth, cannot sequester it from her bones. <strong>No- again you are incorrect in your thinking because you are not following this discussion into the cellular level - Very basically you are right, but a beef cow eats what is before her and she doesnt really know whether she has relied too heavily on Ca from her diet or not, LOL. You are again in the weeds, I think you may need to research your facts alittle further on the Milk Fever topic or just go re-read my last post, evidently you didn't read it thoroughly.</strong></p><p></p><p>It's because she has been fed too much calcium the last three weeks of trimester that she goes down like that. <strong>This is a pastured grassfed animal we are talking about here Einstein and not your garden variety dairy cow in a feedlot based environment, you are trying to compare apples and oranges again, please keep on topic.</strong></p><p>Why do dairy farmers have the diet reduced in calcium the last trimester? To guard against milk fever AND so that the cow is able to generate calcium from her bones and other sources in her body. BTW, FYI, milk fever is more common in DAIRY cows, NOT beef cattle.<strong>It is actually pretty common in some breeds of beef cattle as well, that was an idiotic statement, please try to stay on topic</strong> It's the high calcium in the feeds that the dairy cows have more problems with milk fever than beef cows that they are more apt to milk fever than beef cows. Do some proper research, man.<strong>more redundant and irrelevant discussion, please stay on topic</strong></p><p></p><p>So I am not in the weeds here, I think you are. PH levels are pretty much what I was talking about, if you read between the lines. You just refraised what I just mentioned, not corrected me.</p><p></p><p><strong>Look here Einstein, if your pH levels are off-- the plants you have in your pastures will not grow optimally no matter how much fertilizer you dump on it . Everything begins with the soil and if your soil is right it will produce great forage which will provide the needed nutrition and health that your cattle need. This is a sequence of events where you cannot omit one and have any of the others work ---Ex: if you omit proper pH of your soils--- you will NOT have great forage quality-- you will not have optimal nutrition ---and you will NOT have cattle performing at their best-------period another example: if you have correct soil pH but have nothing in your pasture that is very good then the other parts of this puzzle will NOT work optimally either. These are the facts. </strong></p><p><strong>Lets not get off topic and start duscussion on grainers and dairy cows stick to the subject at hand, but I realize your understanding of grassfed genetics, proper soil and forage utilization and management are somewhat limited.. while you are studying up on forage utilization and management you can revisit Milk fever in a forage based environment </strong></p><p><strong>(pssst -- ya know that traditional operation where there is NO Bucket)</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="edrsimms, post: 697289, member: 10970"] LOL here we go again. Milk fever, unlike your answer, happens when the cow has relied too heavily on the calcium from her diet and when she is in need of calcium during birth, cannot sequester it from her bones. [b]No- again you are incorrect in your thinking because you are not following this discussion into the cellular level - Very basically you are right, but a beef cow eats what is before her and she doesnt really know whether she has relied too heavily on Ca from her diet or not, LOL. You are again in the weeds, I think you may need to research your facts alittle further on the Milk Fever topic or just go re-read my last post, evidently you didn't read it thoroughly.[/b] It's because she has been fed too much calcium the last three weeks of trimester that she goes down like that. [b]This is a pastured grassfed animal we are talking about here Einstein and not your garden variety dairy cow in a feedlot based environment, you are trying to compare apples and oranges again, please keep on topic.[/b] Why do dairy farmers have the diet reduced in calcium the last trimester? To guard against milk fever AND so that the cow is able to generate calcium from her bones and other sources in her body. BTW, FYI, milk fever is more common in DAIRY cows, NOT beef cattle.[b]It is actually pretty common in some breeds of beef cattle as well, that was an idiotic statement, please try to stay on topic[/b] It's the high calcium in the feeds that the dairy cows have more problems with milk fever than beef cows that they are more apt to milk fever than beef cows. Do some proper research, man.[b]more redundant and irrelevant discussion, please stay on topic[/b] So I am not in the weeds here, I think you are. PH levels are pretty much what I was talking about, if you read between the lines. You just refraised what I just mentioned, not corrected me. [b]Look here Einstein, if your pH levels are off-- the plants you have in your pastures will not grow optimally no matter how much fertilizer you dump on it . Everything begins with the soil and if your soil is right it will produce great forage which will provide the needed nutrition and health that your cattle need. This is a sequence of events where you cannot omit one and have any of the others work ---Ex: if you omit proper pH of your soils--- you will NOT have great forage quality-- you will not have optimal nutrition ---and you will NOT have cattle performing at their best-------period another example: if you have correct soil pH but have nothing in your pasture that is very good then the other parts of this puzzle will NOT work optimally either. These are the facts. Lets not get off topic and start duscussion on grainers and dairy cows stick to the subject at hand, but I realize your understanding of grassfed genetics, proper soil and forage utilization and management are somewhat limited.. while you are studying up on forage utilization and management you can revisit Milk fever in a forage based environment (pssst -- ya know that traditional operation where there is NO Bucket)[/b] [/QUOTE]
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