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<blockquote data-quote="edrsimms" data-source="post: 697086" data-attributes="member: 10970"><p>Novatech>> You are making a major issue about grass fed genetics. Those same genetics at the point you stopped could either go to a feed lot or be grass fed in a lush pasture. </p><p></p><p>At this point it is a matter of the terminal calves developing the proper microbes in the rumen to handle what ever they are being fed.</p><p>Now if you plan on grass feeding them you had better not follow that crap about theLow in visceral organ weightbecause they will not have enough rumen to digest it properly.<strong>You have entirely missed the train on this subject --keep reading</strong></p><p></p><p>A calf that is 60% of the cows weight at weaning is a big plus in the cow calf operation. It is breeding for early maturing calves. <strong>Again you have missed the train here -- no it is grass fed genetics combined with a quality forage chain --keep reading</strong></p><p></p><p>The real economics is in what happens next. Does that fast maturing calf slow down on gain per day on the finishing end? <strong>You cannot expect grain fed genetics to perform well on grass as you are talking apples and oranges. You must have grassfed genetics to perform well on grass. The finishing end for a grass fed calf requires a good understanding of the forage chain... keep reading</strong></p><p>Does the slower maturing calf speed up its gain on the finishing end ? It is the end result at finishing that should be determined.<strong>Are you talking about grainfed or grassfed genetics? It matters alot.</strong> </p><p></p><p>What are the total costs from birth to rail? <strong>A he77 of a lot less--which is the point of this post. In your attempt to support the grain fed industry and bash the grassfed industry you continue to get what they give you where as the grass fed community takes their product from gate to plate and "we" get more with much less expense</strong>The point where you stopped is actually where you should have started.</p><p></p><p>Another thing I would like to bring up. If you have a 1200 lb. cow <strong>(Really a grassfed genetics cow)</strong> that produces a 600 lb. calf<strong>(grassfed genetics calf)</strong>, this cow being a low to moderate producer of milk, It seems to me that the fast maturing calf<strong> You are confused about this term "fast-maturing calf" -- change it to "grassfed genetic calf: raised on forage </strong> would also have to eat grass, more grass than the slower maturing calf. <strong>(no, you cannot compare cattle you are used to with grassfed genetics, everyone knows a grain-fed genetic calf won't perform well on forage</strong></p><p></p><p>So in reality one should breed for efficiency in grass conversion.<strong>YES and cull those who cannot make it on grass</strong> </p><p></p><p>But unfortunately testing for this can only be done in a feed lot.<strong>This is incorrect</strong></p><p>Here is a terminal break down.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="edrsimms, post: 697086, member: 10970"] Novatech>> You are making a major issue about grass fed genetics. Those same genetics at the point you stopped could either go to a feed lot or be grass fed in a lush pasture. At this point it is a matter of the terminal calves developing the proper microbes in the rumen to handle what ever they are being fed. Now if you plan on grass feeding them you had better not follow that crap about theLow in visceral organ weightbecause they will not have enough rumen to digest it properly.[b]You have entirely missed the train on this subject --keep reading[/b] A calf that is 60% of the cows weight at weaning is a big plus in the cow calf operation. It is breeding for early maturing calves. [b]Again you have missed the train here -- no it is grass fed genetics combined with a quality forage chain --keep reading[/b] The real economics is in what happens next. Does that fast maturing calf slow down on gain per day on the finishing end? [b]You cannot expect grain fed genetics to perform well on grass as you are talking apples and oranges. You must have grassfed genetics to perform well on grass. The finishing end for a grass fed calf requires a good understanding of the forage chain... keep reading[/b] Does the slower maturing calf speed up its gain on the finishing end ? It is the end result at finishing that should be determined.[b]Are you talking about grainfed or grassfed genetics? It matters alot.[/b] What are the total costs from birth to rail? [b]A he77 of a lot less--which is the point of this post. In your attempt to support the grain fed industry and bash the grassfed industry you continue to get what they give you where as the grass fed community takes their product from gate to plate and "we" get more with much less expense[/b]The point where you stopped is actually where you should have started. Another thing I would like to bring up. If you have a 1200 lb. cow [b](Really a grassfed genetics cow)[/b] that produces a 600 lb. calf[b](grassfed genetics calf)[/b], this cow being a low to moderate producer of milk, It seems to me that the fast maturing calf[b] You are confused about this term "fast-maturing calf" -- change it to "grassfed genetic calf: raised on forage [/b] would also have to eat grass, more grass than the slower maturing calf. [b](no, you cannot compare cattle you are used to with grassfed genetics, everyone knows a grain-fed genetic calf won't perform well on forage[/b] So in reality one should breed for efficiency in grass conversion.[b]YES and cull those who cannot make it on grass[/b] But unfortunately testing for this can only be done in a feed lot.[b]This is incorrect[/b] Here is a terminal break down. [/QUOTE]
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