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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1740194" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>We had dogs run some of our pregnant ewes and they exhausted them to where they collapsed and died. </p><p></p><p>As far as the LGD's... they are that person's way of preventing their own animals from getting attacked and eaten just like you are shooting the predators. Just because they are trying to keep the predators out of their own fields does not mean they are trying to drive them to others fields. They are dealing with the predators by deterring them from coming on to their own property. </p><p></p><p> I agree that the coyotes ought to be shot. We run some donkeys with our sheep, and have run llamas in the past. We also shoot the coyotes when they become a problem. Recently had coyotes get in and get 5 of 8 lambs that were 20-30 lbs, so not little babies. Had a guy come in and has gotten 3 that were trying to get back in there. Moved the donkey into this place to help. </p><p></p><p> So what you are saying is that we should not have the donkey in there to deter the coyotes, because the sheep and lambs are drawing in the coyotes???? That the ONLY method of determent is to shoot? That by bringing in the donkey to protect our lambs and by deterring the coyotes is we pushed them into the cattle fields? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. </p><p>The coyotes are going to find the easiest prey... if it is the lambs, or the new baby calves, or a bunch of rabbits or the neighbors cats, ....whatever. </p><p>We found a coyote eating a dead baby calf a few days later. Think it was a dead twin... so we had the guy come in and he got 2 that next night right up in amongst the cattle. </p><p>I have no qualms against someone doing whatever they can to protect their own animals... the whole purpose is to protect what is yours. If the neighbor manages to stop the predation on her property then she is entitled to do so. If she objects to the shooting of them then she is stupid... but it is not wrong for her to keep them off her own property, and having the goats as an enticement is not a fair assessment. She is entitled to have any type, or breed of animal she wants on her own land, just like you are. And she can protect them any way she wants to as long as it doesn't infringe on your property rights.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1740194, member: 25884"] We had dogs run some of our pregnant ewes and they exhausted them to where they collapsed and died. As far as the LGD's... they are that person's way of preventing their own animals from getting attacked and eaten just like you are shooting the predators. Just because they are trying to keep the predators out of their own fields does not mean they are trying to drive them to others fields. They are dealing with the predators by deterring them from coming on to their own property. I agree that the coyotes ought to be shot. We run some donkeys with our sheep, and have run llamas in the past. We also shoot the coyotes when they become a problem. Recently had coyotes get in and get 5 of 8 lambs that were 20-30 lbs, so not little babies. Had a guy come in and has gotten 3 that were trying to get back in there. Moved the donkey into this place to help. So what you are saying is that we should not have the donkey in there to deter the coyotes, because the sheep and lambs are drawing in the coyotes???? That the ONLY method of determent is to shoot? That by bringing in the donkey to protect our lambs and by deterring the coyotes is we pushed them into the cattle fields? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. The coyotes are going to find the easiest prey... if it is the lambs, or the new baby calves, or a bunch of rabbits or the neighbors cats, ....whatever. We found a coyote eating a dead baby calf a few days later. Think it was a dead twin... so we had the guy come in and he got 2 that next night right up in amongst the cattle. I have no qualms against someone doing whatever they can to protect their own animals... the whole purpose is to protect what is yours. If the neighbor manages to stop the predation on her property then she is entitled to do so. If she objects to the shooting of them then she is stupid... but it is not wrong for her to keep them off her own property, and having the goats as an enticement is not a fair assessment. She is entitled to have any type, or breed of animal she wants on her own land, just like you are. And she can protect them any way she wants to as long as it doesn't infringe on your property rights. [/QUOTE]
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