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<blockquote data-quote="fargus" data-source="post: 741329" data-attributes="member: 13480"><p>Okay, but we're still not discussing the same things. I feel the point about transgenics in an organic system has been addressed. Nobody, least of all me, has said that transgenic is natural. I challenge you to quote somebody within this thread that stated that it is. As to the USDA saying it isn't allowed in organic, who wrote those rules? I doubt the standards were written by USDA; they were likely written by organic industry groups, adopted by the USDA and codified as regulations. Again, USDA doesn't comment on the quality of the feedstuff, they merely draw a line in the sand and say to get this certification "thou shalt not."</p><p></p><p>You did state that it isn't what we do, but what happens when it leaves the farm. So why villify transgenics, and the conventional production system? If you don't like big business fine, but don't think poorly of those of us who choose to use their products because they have a fit on our operations. If food safety is the issue tackle the problem, and in all the research I have read I still haven't seen a convincing argument that shows transgenic feedstuffs are a root cause. Every issue has two sides. We can argue the environmental problems of transgenics, and turn around and see the positives they provide. For example, gene drift is typically cited as a potential negative environmental impact. So be it. The introduction of Bt technology may well save the monarch butterfly, because we aren't spraying Bt toxin on corn crops. Same molecule, but much more targeted. The adoption of RoundupReady technology has allowed a more widespread adoption of no-till production. That saves hundreds of thousands of tons of topsoil each year.</p><p></p><p>I'm struggling to see the issue with transgenics. Improper use of antibiotics and other inputs are an issue for sure, but GMOs? I'm still not sold.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fargus, post: 741329, member: 13480"] Okay, but we're still not discussing the same things. I feel the point about transgenics in an organic system has been addressed. Nobody, least of all me, has said that transgenic is natural. I challenge you to quote somebody within this thread that stated that it is. As to the USDA saying it isn't allowed in organic, who wrote those rules? I doubt the standards were written by USDA; they were likely written by organic industry groups, adopted by the USDA and codified as regulations. Again, USDA doesn't comment on the quality of the feedstuff, they merely draw a line in the sand and say to get this certification "thou shalt not." You did state that it isn't what we do, but what happens when it leaves the farm. So why villify transgenics, and the conventional production system? If you don't like big business fine, but don't think poorly of those of us who choose to use their products because they have a fit on our operations. If food safety is the issue tackle the problem, and in all the research I have read I still haven't seen a convincing argument that shows transgenic feedstuffs are a root cause. Every issue has two sides. We can argue the environmental problems of transgenics, and turn around and see the positives they provide. For example, gene drift is typically cited as a potential negative environmental impact. So be it. The introduction of Bt technology may well save the monarch butterfly, because we aren't spraying Bt toxin on corn crops. Same molecule, but much more targeted. The adoption of RoundupReady technology has allowed a more widespread adoption of no-till production. That saves hundreds of thousands of tons of topsoil each year. I'm struggling to see the issue with transgenics. Improper use of antibiotics and other inputs are an issue for sure, but GMOs? I'm still not sold. [/QUOTE]
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