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<blockquote data-quote="IGotMyWings" data-source="post: 740378" data-attributes="member: 8639"><p>First off, let me say that I am enjoying this spirited debate. It seems, though, that I'm making you mad, when that was not my intention!</p><p></p><p>There are studies that show that high fructose corn syrup suppressed the body's ability to know when it's full, which makes people eat more, leading to obesity. There are studies that say that diets high in corn syrup had laboratory rats showing signs of fatty liver disease and type II diabetes in just four weeks <a href="http://www.slu.edu/x15990.xml" target="_blank">http://www.slu.edu/x15990.xml</a>. There are studies that say all of this is a crock . Who do we believe? I believe my eyes. I know that diabetes is more common, because I can show you an entire nuclear family that has diabetic issues, including their teenaged child. Think back to when you were a teenager. How many people your age had diabetic issues, let alone, an entire household? I'll admit that part of the increase in cancer numbers is based on some longer life spans, but again, look around you. How many people 30, 40, or 50 years old are being treated for cancers? I used to work with a guy who was 24 and was going through chemo. I see more people my age (40's) in the obits who had cancer. As for lactose intolerance, I can point out several people who get sick drinking grocery store milk but have no trouble at all when they drink raw milk. I've never tried it, lactose intolerance isn't a problem I have.</p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to convince anyone that everything you do is wrong or what I do is right. All I'm wanting to do is have folks take a look at the facts. The facts are that natural beef is a better nutritional choice than conventional beef <a href="http://www.mercola.com/beef/health_benefits.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/beef/health_benefits.htm</a>. We have changed our mission from providing the most nutritional food on the planet to simply producing the most food. The chicken people are forced, by contract, to use confinement operations, keeping the birds in the dark and stuffing them with steroid enhanced feeds that make the chickens grow so fast that, because the bones aren't maturing as quickly, they can't walk! Did you know that in order to fight the E.Coli that naturally occurs in grain fed cattle, that ground beef is treated with ammonia? <a href="http://www.cattlebusinessweekly.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=1982" target="_blank">http://www.cattlebusinessweekly.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=1982</a> I like ketchup on my hamburgers, not Windex!</p><p></p><p>These are the kinds of things I want people to ponder. Huge companies are running and ruining our product. Genetic modification (the test tube kind - not hybrids) tampers with nature, and I, personally, don't think nature needs tampering with. If we return our focus to making the food we grow better, then we can still feed the world, and they will be healthier. RR crops work on the short term, but I just talked to my seed rep and he was telling me that he's noticed that slowly, the weeds are adapting and, themselves, becoming RR. I don't think that the weeds have figured out how to combat the rotary hoe.</p><p></p><p>If the USDA doesn't consider genetically modified alfalfa or other plants as natural, meaning that the organic producer cannot use them and retain certification, how can I? The FDA won't call high fructose corn syrup natural either, which is why 7UP had to remove the words "all natural ingredients" and replace them with "all natural flavors" awhile back. I'm not spreading rumor or conjuring lies to promote anything. Look it up for yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IGotMyWings, post: 740378, member: 8639"] First off, let me say that I am enjoying this spirited debate. It seems, though, that I'm making you mad, when that was not my intention! There are studies that show that high fructose corn syrup suppressed the body's ability to know when it's full, which makes people eat more, leading to obesity. There are studies that say that diets high in corn syrup had laboratory rats showing signs of fatty liver disease and type II diabetes in just four weeks [url]http://www.slu.edu/x15990.xml[/url]. There are studies that say all of this is a crock . Who do we believe? I believe my eyes. I know that diabetes is more common, because I can show you an entire nuclear family that has diabetic issues, including their teenaged child. Think back to when you were a teenager. How many people your age had diabetic issues, let alone, an entire household? I'll admit that part of the increase in cancer numbers is based on some longer life spans, but again, look around you. How many people 30, 40, or 50 years old are being treated for cancers? I used to work with a guy who was 24 and was going through chemo. I see more people my age (40's) in the obits who had cancer. As for lactose intolerance, I can point out several people who get sick drinking grocery store milk but have no trouble at all when they drink raw milk. I've never tried it, lactose intolerance isn't a problem I have. I'm not trying to convince anyone that everything you do is wrong or what I do is right. All I'm wanting to do is have folks take a look at the facts. The facts are that natural beef is a better nutritional choice than conventional beef [url]http://www.mercola.com/beef/health_benefits.htm[/url]. We have changed our mission from providing the most nutritional food on the planet to simply producing the most food. The chicken people are forced, by contract, to use confinement operations, keeping the birds in the dark and stuffing them with steroid enhanced feeds that make the chickens grow so fast that, because the bones aren't maturing as quickly, they can't walk! Did you know that in order to fight the E.Coli that naturally occurs in grain fed cattle, that ground beef is treated with ammonia? [url]http://www.cattlebusinessweekly.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=1982[/url] I like ketchup on my hamburgers, not Windex! These are the kinds of things I want people to ponder. Huge companies are running and ruining our product. Genetic modification (the test tube kind - not hybrids) tampers with nature, and I, personally, don't think nature needs tampering with. If we return our focus to making the food we grow better, then we can still feed the world, and they will be healthier. RR crops work on the short term, but I just talked to my seed rep and he was telling me that he's noticed that slowly, the weeds are adapting and, themselves, becoming RR. I don't think that the weeds have figured out how to combat the rotary hoe. If the USDA doesn't consider genetically modified alfalfa or other plants as natural, meaning that the organic producer cannot use them and retain certification, how can I? The FDA won't call high fructose corn syrup natural either, which is why 7UP had to remove the words "all natural ingredients" and replace them with "all natural flavors" awhile back. I'm not spreading rumor or conjuring lies to promote anything. Look it up for yourself. [/QUOTE]
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