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<blockquote data-quote="SRBeef" data-source="post: 759782" data-attributes="member: 7509"><p>With all due respect sir, I have to speak up on this one.</p><p></p><p>We should all refrain from spouting off on things we no little real facts about. For example:</p><p></p><p><em>"...the cost of ethanol does not justify the return and products..."</em></p><p></p><p>This is an issue that one can generate a wide range of numbers to support whatever point of view one chooses to support.</p><p></p><p>In actual fact, ethanol can and in most cases does justify the return and products. Even if you look just at an energy balance, ethanol can make energy sense. It depends on your assumptions on how much fertilizer is used to produce the corn and many other factors.</p><p></p><p>Right now we have an oil spill running mega barrels of crude oil into the gulf of Mexico. What is the cost of that likely to be? And guess who is going to end up picking up that tab in one way or another??? I'll give you some engineering facts on that one: drilling through a MILE of water from a floating drill rig, then drilling another seven MILES of the underseas surface is a risky business. There are going to be these types of incidents repeatedly. The engineering is just too difficult to be perfect 100% of the time.</p><p></p><p>I heard on the radio today that folks want President Obama to "do something" now that oil has started to wash up on the shore. Well folks, the time to do something was when this type drilling was started. BP is just out of quick ideas. This is like the going to Mars of oil drilling. There are going to be this type "accidents" in this type drilling.</p><p></p><p>Next to this ethanol looks like a poster child for responsible fuel. If you look at the tax breaks for big oil and many other hidden subsidies for oil, the government encouraging ethanol startups is a drop in the bucket. However THAT drop is yielding very large returns. And ethanol does make sense from a financial AND engineering standpoint, if you consider facts rather than slant them.</p><p></p><p>I am very involved in corn production. I would rather see our dollars go here than buy more imported oil. Ethanol will never replace oil but it along with many other efforts will help.</p><p></p><p>And as someone involved in corn production I also get very tired of beef (and other meat) producers on the sidelines cheering for cheap corn as the only way to make a profit in beef. </p><p></p><p>Beef producers go to church to pray for cheap corn. Corn growers go to church and pray for higher prices so they don't need to sell out to a larger producer.... Is God on one side or the other?</p><p></p><p>You are barking up the wrong tree(s). Profit for the beef producer needs to come from higher prices for your end product, NOT cheap corn from your neighbor.</p><p></p><p>There are a lot of other misconceptions in your post but I will limit myself to your ethanol and corn price.</p><p></p><p>I understand you are a dentist? That is a fine profession. But it does not qualify you to make erroneous statements regarding ethanol, corn and call them facts. </p><p></p><p>Corn is NOT evil as some others try to portray it. Grain corn is one of the most valuable resources we in the US have. jmho.</p><p></p><p>Jim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SRBeef, post: 759782, member: 7509"] With all due respect sir, I have to speak up on this one. We should all refrain from spouting off on things we no little real facts about. For example: [i]"...the cost of ethanol does not justify the return and products..."[/i] This is an issue that one can generate a wide range of numbers to support whatever point of view one chooses to support. In actual fact, ethanol can and in most cases does justify the return and products. Even if you look just at an energy balance, ethanol can make energy sense. It depends on your assumptions on how much fertilizer is used to produce the corn and many other factors. Right now we have an oil spill running mega barrels of crude oil into the gulf of Mexico. What is the cost of that likely to be? And guess who is going to end up picking up that tab in one way or another??? I'll give you some engineering facts on that one: drilling through a MILE of water from a floating drill rig, then drilling another seven MILES of the underseas surface is a risky business. There are going to be these types of incidents repeatedly. The engineering is just too difficult to be perfect 100% of the time. I heard on the radio today that folks want President Obama to "do something" now that oil has started to wash up on the shore. Well folks, the time to do something was when this type drilling was started. BP is just out of quick ideas. This is like the going to Mars of oil drilling. There are going to be this type "accidents" in this type drilling. Next to this ethanol looks like a poster child for responsible fuel. If you look at the tax breaks for big oil and many other hidden subsidies for oil, the government encouraging ethanol startups is a drop in the bucket. However THAT drop is yielding very large returns. And ethanol does make sense from a financial AND engineering standpoint, if you consider facts rather than slant them. I am very involved in corn production. I would rather see our dollars go here than buy more imported oil. Ethanol will never replace oil but it along with many other efforts will help. And as someone involved in corn production I also get very tired of beef (and other meat) producers on the sidelines cheering for cheap corn as the only way to make a profit in beef. Beef producers go to church to pray for cheap corn. Corn growers go to church and pray for higher prices so they don't need to sell out to a larger producer.... Is God on one side or the other? You are barking up the wrong tree(s). Profit for the beef producer needs to come from higher prices for your end product, NOT cheap corn from your neighbor. There are a lot of other misconceptions in your post but I will limit myself to your ethanol and corn price. I understand you are a dentist? That is a fine profession. But it does not qualify you to make erroneous statements regarding ethanol, corn and call them facts. Corn is NOT evil as some others try to portray it. Grain corn is one of the most valuable resources we in the US have. jmho. Jim [/QUOTE]
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