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<blockquote data-quote="Brandonm2" data-source="post: 435426" data-attributes="member: 2095"><p>In any group of cattle there will eventually be born "mean" cattle that want to hurt people and "Spooky" cattle that get scared out of their wits at any amount of streess. It probably pays dividends to identify those calves early and get them outta there. All that said, cattle do LEARN how you want them to act. Example, I had a neighbor who was a VERY good cattleman, who also loved to motorbike, cowboy break horses, hunt, dogs, etc. In short he was a very HE-man type. He moved his cattle with dogs, atvs, whips, and PELLET GUNS. When his Limousin, Simmental, or Red Angus bull jumped the fence I would jump in my pickup truck and join in the high speed races after him (pellets just a flying from the old man on the bike). They were wild as all get out in the chute, in the trailer, in the barn, in the field, etc; BUT anything we wanted to do with the cattle we could get it done. It was scary as heck, but he enjoyed himself and I think even the cows liked it!!</p><p></p><p>Me and my Grandfather were always lazier (though we could work 50 cows without hiring the first hand either). Eventually MY bull got out that fence his was always tearing up. Naturally, they did not call me before acting "the cowboy way". Well, I got the message that I was needed. The old man calmly told me that my bull was the craziest bull that he had ever worked with and we needed to put him down before somebody got killed. As I understood the story, the bull turned on the pellet guns and charged bike after bike head on and rolled the dog twice. His grandson emphasized that that was the biggest meanest craziest bull they had ever seen. Ignoring the helpful advice, I drove out to the field, got out of my truck, dropped the tailgate, poured out 15 pounds of range cubes into a 5 gallon bucket, and led the bull out of the field on foot at a slow speed. The whole deal took five minutes (after listening to a 50 minute story) and I proceeded to fix the fence (again!!). </p><p></p><p>You train cattle to do what you want them to do. They will come on command, let dogs drive them into pens, will move away from a horse and rider or flee in the opposite direction of a pellet gun if THAT is what you train them to do. Where cattle have a hard time is when you are inconsistent. For example, cattle who have never seen a herding dog before will be a lot harder to pen with one than a herd that is used to being penned by a dog. Likewise cows who have never eaten out of a trough aren't going to come running up when you put grain in one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandonm2, post: 435426, member: 2095"] In any group of cattle there will eventually be born "mean" cattle that want to hurt people and "Spooky" cattle that get scared out of their wits at any amount of streess. It probably pays dividends to identify those calves early and get them outta there. All that said, cattle do LEARN how you want them to act. Example, I had a neighbor who was a VERY good cattleman, who also loved to motorbike, cowboy break horses, hunt, dogs, etc. In short he was a very HE-man type. He moved his cattle with dogs, atvs, whips, and PELLET GUNS. When his Limousin, Simmental, or Red Angus bull jumped the fence I would jump in my pickup truck and join in the high speed races after him (pellets just a flying from the old man on the bike). They were wild as all get out in the chute, in the trailer, in the barn, in the field, etc; BUT anything we wanted to do with the cattle we could get it done. It was scary as heck, but he enjoyed himself and I think even the cows liked it!! Me and my Grandfather were always lazier (though we could work 50 cows without hiring the first hand either). Eventually MY bull got out that fence his was always tearing up. Naturally, they did not call me before acting "the cowboy way". Well, I got the message that I was needed. The old man calmly told me that my bull was the craziest bull that he had ever worked with and we needed to put him down before somebody got killed. As I understood the story, the bull turned on the pellet guns and charged bike after bike head on and rolled the dog twice. His grandson emphasized that that was the biggest meanest craziest bull they had ever seen. Ignoring the helpful advice, I drove out to the field, got out of my truck, dropped the tailgate, poured out 15 pounds of range cubes into a 5 gallon bucket, and led the bull out of the field on foot at a slow speed. The whole deal took five minutes (after listening to a 50 minute story) and I proceeded to fix the fence (again!!). You train cattle to do what you want them to do. They will come on command, let dogs drive them into pens, will move away from a horse and rider or flee in the opposite direction of a pellet gun if THAT is what you train them to do. Where cattle have a hard time is when you are inconsistent. For example, cattle who have never seen a herding dog before will be a lot harder to pen with one than a herd that is used to being penned by a dog. Likewise cows who have never eaten out of a trough aren't going to come running up when you put grain in one. [/QUOTE]
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