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<blockquote data-quote="wbvs58" data-source="post: 1828851" data-attributes="member: 16453"><p>Jeanne, I do it because being a relatively small herd I feel the numbers I submit in smallish contempory groups don't get the same recognition as data from big herds so for me it is another way of cross referencing with other herds. Angus Australia have a very good sire benchmarking program that has been running for over a decade now where detailed data is collected from from progeny from controlled matings in cooperative herds. They have analysed the data extensively and they have concluded that the EBV's that the bulls inherit do not change significantly at the end of the process. This change in the EBV's seems to run contrary to this research. Yes, numbers don't mean much to me, my best cows may not even be the best phenotypically probably because they are too busy raising a great calf and going straight back in calf. To me performance is what counts. I do look at numbers in the background as when selling bulls about 50% of my buyers will look at numbers especially calving ease as the majority have them in paddocks that only get checked about once a week. I am moving away from selling bulls so I will be turning up the screws on calf weaning weights and cow fertility 1 round AI, 1 cycle with the bull which goes hand in hand with weaning weights as when you have them all calving within 3 weeks they all have a chance to be a respectable weight at weaning for a nice even pen at the weaning sales. Also with calving in a 3 week interval it makes it a lot easier to achieve your fertility goals as you are not trying to bring any forward before they are ready. They are all very eager to get in calf when you breed them.</p><p>I will not lose sight of phenotype or EBV's, phenotype is how I select my heifers however after this performance is my priority.</p><p></p><p>Ken</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wbvs58, post: 1828851, member: 16453"] Jeanne, I do it because being a relatively small herd I feel the numbers I submit in smallish contempory groups don't get the same recognition as data from big herds so for me it is another way of cross referencing with other herds. Angus Australia have a very good sire benchmarking program that has been running for over a decade now where detailed data is collected from from progeny from controlled matings in cooperative herds. They have analysed the data extensively and they have concluded that the EBV's that the bulls inherit do not change significantly at the end of the process. This change in the EBV's seems to run contrary to this research. Yes, numbers don't mean much to me, my best cows may not even be the best phenotypically probably because they are too busy raising a great calf and going straight back in calf. To me performance is what counts. I do look at numbers in the background as when selling bulls about 50% of my buyers will look at numbers especially calving ease as the majority have them in paddocks that only get checked about once a week. I am moving away from selling bulls so I will be turning up the screws on calf weaning weights and cow fertility 1 round AI, 1 cycle with the bull which goes hand in hand with weaning weights as when you have them all calving within 3 weeks they all have a chance to be a respectable weight at weaning for a nice even pen at the weaning sales. Also with calving in a 3 week interval it makes it a lot easier to achieve your fertility goals as you are not trying to bring any forward before they are ready. They are all very eager to get in calf when you breed them. I will not lose sight of phenotype or EBV's, phenotype is how I select my heifers however after this performance is my priority. Ken [/QUOTE]
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