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<blockquote data-quote="elkwc" data-source="post: 1330011" data-attributes="member: 22295"><p>I could list many examples of where the new Genomic enhanced EPD's of a few breeds has either failed or in my opinion used in the wrong way. A member of a family ranch not far from me was featured in a breed article a few years ago about how he had pushed for the ranch to start selecting the heifers they retained by their Genomic EPD. He mentioned in the article how he had those doing the selection of replacements to do it as they had in the past then he showed them the Genomic EPD's and had them to do the selection by them. He said it was surprising how they had been culling some of what showed to be the best replacements. No visual evaluation was used to eliminate structural problems, ect. I worked with a coworker whose son worked for them. So was kept updated on how it was going. I said at the time that it would be only a matter of time before problems arose. It was sooner than I expected. Before the first group ever calved issues started. And by the time they calved the first set they had decided to rethink how they used the Genomic EPD. The coworker retired but my understanding is today just 2-3 years later they are using it as an additional tool only. It is like the Genomic ehnanced CE EPD. I've seen real disasters with it. When a bull has a negative BW EPD and in one calf crop jumps to a 6 plus something isn't right with the EPD. So again in my opinion you can't replace good visual inspection and actual data. It will be interesting how this calf grows out. I have seen many pics of Fire Sweep's cattle on this forum. I've really liked many of them and they are why I did some looking for some Sim Angus heifers to look at when I was looking this past year. Didn't never find any for sale to look at before I finally bought all I'm going to buy. I have since seen some and like any breed they vary in quality. I've only seen a few that were close to the quality I've seen from those of Fire Sweep's. I know he knows his cattle so it will be interesting what his view is in 12 months.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elkwc, post: 1330011, member: 22295"] I could list many examples of where the new Genomic enhanced EPD's of a few breeds has either failed or in my opinion used in the wrong way. A member of a family ranch not far from me was featured in a breed article a few years ago about how he had pushed for the ranch to start selecting the heifers they retained by their Genomic EPD. He mentioned in the article how he had those doing the selection of replacements to do it as they had in the past then he showed them the Genomic EPD's and had them to do the selection by them. He said it was surprising how they had been culling some of what showed to be the best replacements. No visual evaluation was used to eliminate structural problems, ect. I worked with a coworker whose son worked for them. So was kept updated on how it was going. I said at the time that it would be only a matter of time before problems arose. It was sooner than I expected. Before the first group ever calved issues started. And by the time they calved the first set they had decided to rethink how they used the Genomic EPD. The coworker retired but my understanding is today just 2-3 years later they are using it as an additional tool only. It is like the Genomic ehnanced CE EPD. I've seen real disasters with it. When a bull has a negative BW EPD and in one calf crop jumps to a 6 plus something isn't right with the EPD. So again in my opinion you can't replace good visual inspection and actual data. It will be interesting how this calf grows out. I have seen many pics of Fire Sweep's cattle on this forum. I've really liked many of them and they are why I did some looking for some Sim Angus heifers to look at when I was looking this past year. Didn't never find any for sale to look at before I finally bought all I'm going to buy. I have since seen some and like any breed they vary in quality. I've only seen a few that were close to the quality I've seen from those of Fire Sweep's. I know he knows his cattle so it will be interesting what his view is in 12 months. [/QUOTE]
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