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<blockquote data-quote="UG" data-source="post: 442847" data-attributes="member: 714"><p>hcrancher,</p><p></p><p>Gelbvieh and Balancer cattle work real well in your part of the country and fortunately for you there are a whole lot of good cattle producers with good Gelbvieh and Balancers within 100 miles of where you live. Another one to add to the Kansas list is Grund Gelbvieh.</p><p></p><p>A few words of advice:</p><p></p><p>-Be cautious of smooth talking sales consultants. They can make a cow that only calves every two years and only weans a 300 pound calf sound like a cow you could build a herd around. Many of these characters will act as if they are looking out for your best interests, but remember they make their living off of commissions from the seller.</p><p>-Just because a breeder has fancy ads in the breed magazine, has a fancy sign by the road, and has a Grand Champion banner hanging from the sale podium doesn't mean that he is a good cattlemen or that his cattle are any good. Too many of these cattle have been fed to look that good rather than bred to look that good. </p><p>-Don't be swayed by producers who brag that their bull calves averaged 800 lbs at weaning...shoot, mine would too if I had creep feeders in every pasture filled with sweet feed, and the fat cows were being supplemented all summer with cubes or hay. I'd rather buy cattle from a producer who didn't creep feed and the cows were forced to raise a calf and rebreed (on time) with whatever forage was available.</p><p></p><p>mtnman, I am also not a Freedom fan. He has been used waaaaayyy too much in the breed over the past 6 or 7 years. Not only does he have a horrible marbling score, he's closer to an 8 frame than a 7 as he is generally promoted. Many producers have also commented that his daughters are not the easiest to breed back after their first calf. It really concerns me when I read through a Gelbvieh consignment sale; it is not unusual for 50%+ of the cattle to have Freedom in their pedigree (and generally the next 40% have either Extra or Echo in their pedigree).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UG, post: 442847, member: 714"] hcrancher, Gelbvieh and Balancer cattle work real well in your part of the country and fortunately for you there are a whole lot of good cattle producers with good Gelbvieh and Balancers within 100 miles of where you live. Another one to add to the Kansas list is Grund Gelbvieh. A few words of advice: -Be cautious of smooth talking sales consultants. They can make a cow that only calves every two years and only weans a 300 pound calf sound like a cow you could build a herd around. Many of these characters will act as if they are looking out for your best interests, but remember they make their living off of commissions from the seller. -Just because a breeder has fancy ads in the breed magazine, has a fancy sign by the road, and has a Grand Champion banner hanging from the sale podium doesn't mean that he is a good cattlemen or that his cattle are any good. Too many of these cattle have been fed to look that good rather than bred to look that good. -Don't be swayed by producers who brag that their bull calves averaged 800 lbs at weaning...shoot, mine would too if I had creep feeders in every pasture filled with sweet feed, and the fat cows were being supplemented all summer with cubes or hay. I'd rather buy cattle from a producer who didn't creep feed and the cows were forced to raise a calf and rebreed (on time) with whatever forage was available. mtnman, I am also not a Freedom fan. He has been used waaaaayyy too much in the breed over the past 6 or 7 years. Not only does he have a horrible marbling score, he's closer to an 8 frame than a 7 as he is generally promoted. Many producers have also commented that his daughters are not the easiest to breed back after their first calf. It really concerns me when I read through a Gelbvieh consignment sale; it is not unusual for 50%+ of the cattle to have Freedom in their pedigree (and generally the next 40% have either Extra or Echo in their pedigree). [/QUOTE]
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