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<blockquote data-quote="Oldtimer" data-source="post: 709580" data-attributes="member: 97"><p>I have forage raised bulls that were born the end of Feb/first part of March- were with the cows June 1st....Whats that 15 months old ?....They easily weighed 950-1050 lbs at 12 months- maybe a 100 lbs more at turn out time the 1st part of June- and went to work- rather than laying around melting down from being butcher fat.... And they gained all summer...Then come back the next year after being fed grass and hay only- and test good and go back to work....And again the next year without their livers going bad from being fed high grain/protein test ration.....</p><p>Bulls weren't meant to be hog fattened- and then told to go breed a cow... (If you want to test something- go test a pen of their steer calves....) Especially in country where grass is at a premium- and the butcher fat grain fed bulls just melt away....</p><p>And part of their job is still to go out and sire calves that will wean off at 50% of their dams weight-- out of heifers that only see any grain/supplement for maybe 2-3 weeks while they are being weaned ( and that is mainly so they calm down and get used to me- by walking thru them handcarrying/bucketing pellets/grain/screenings/whatever to them)...After that- they get to join the "real world" of pasture and rolled out hay bales with the rest the cows- and learn to survive...(After years of feeding heifers separate- I had to turn the heifers out one year when the snow was so deep I couldn't get hay to them anymore-- and I really think they "socialize and adapt" better back with the main herd- when stuck right back in with them..) And they breed up great when they hit green grass and are gaining...</p><p>Just my IMHO....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldtimer, post: 709580, member: 97"] I have forage raised bulls that were born the end of Feb/first part of March- were with the cows June 1st....Whats that 15 months old ?....They easily weighed 950-1050 lbs at 12 months- maybe a 100 lbs more at turn out time the 1st part of June- and went to work- rather than laying around melting down from being butcher fat.... And they gained all summer...Then come back the next year after being fed grass and hay only- and test good and go back to work....And again the next year without their livers going bad from being fed high grain/protein test ration..... Bulls weren't meant to be hog fattened- and then told to go breed a cow... (If you want to test something- go test a pen of their steer calves....) Especially in country where grass is at a premium- and the butcher fat grain fed bulls just melt away.... And part of their job is still to go out and sire calves that will wean off at 50% of their dams weight-- out of heifers that only see any grain/supplement for maybe 2-3 weeks while they are being weaned ( and that is mainly so they calm down and get used to me- by walking thru them handcarrying/bucketing pellets/grain/screenings/whatever to them)...After that- they get to join the "real world" of pasture and rolled out hay bales with the rest the cows- and learn to survive...(After years of feeding heifers separate- I had to turn the heifers out one year when the snow was so deep I couldn't get hay to them anymore-- and I really think they "socialize and adapt" better back with the main herd- when stuck right back in with them..) And they breed up great when they hit green grass and are gaining... Just my IMHO.... [/QUOTE]
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