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<blockquote data-quote="greenwillowherefords" data-source="post: 60169" data-attributes="member: 587"><p>Nowhere in my post will you see that I said to disregard EPDs. To clarify what I meant, let me put it this way: If I'm looking at two animals in the same herd, and one of them has better EPDs but significantly less performance, and this is not an isolated incident that the lower EPD cow consistently raises a better calf, given similar carcass quality, I'm going to go for the lower EPD animal if it has consistently performed better in the same herd!</p><p></p><p>Scenario 2: "Big Name" operation in my area averages 650 pound calves and they creep feed. They sell their bulls from $1,500-3,500 or more. The $1,500 bulls they say are for commercial herds, not registered. You have to go up to the $2,500-3,500 range to get their best carcass and EPDs, and they are still pushing it to make a 700 lb. weaning weight on creep. Meanwhile, in the price range of the big-name "commercial grade" bulls, I can buy my pick of the crop at Flying G Ranch,(also in my area) and we are talking about older bulls at FG too. The Flying G bulls have at least as good 205 day weight averages without creep, and their birthweights are significantly lower, they are sired by nationally respected bloodlines, they are proven easier doing and fleshing by those who have owned both; and respected Hereford breeders quietly tell me that they are as good as any in the country. Where do you think I will go? I have made my deal on a Flying G bull with an actual 205 of 740 pounds without creep, and a BW of 70 lbs. He is sired by an HVH Hudson bull who has Optimum ZO3 and Feltons in his pedigree. Very respectable carcass background on the sire.</p><p>I'm saying don't limit yourself only to the big names. Sometimes there are some breeding decisions some have made that I want to go back and circumvent with the right bloodlines that didn't chase certain fads!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greenwillowherefords, post: 60169, member: 587"] Nowhere in my post will you see that I said to disregard EPDs. To clarify what I meant, let me put it this way: If I'm looking at two animals in the same herd, and one of them has better EPDs but significantly less performance, and this is not an isolated incident that the lower EPD cow consistently raises a better calf, given similar carcass quality, I'm going to go for the lower EPD animal if it has consistently performed better in the same herd! Scenario 2: "Big Name" operation in my area averages 650 pound calves and they creep feed. They sell their bulls from $1,500-3,500 or more. The $1,500 bulls they say are for commercial herds, not registered. You have to go up to the $2,500-3,500 range to get their best carcass and EPDs, and they are still pushing it to make a 700 lb. weaning weight on creep. Meanwhile, in the price range of the big-name "commercial grade" bulls, I can buy my pick of the crop at Flying G Ranch,(also in my area) and we are talking about older bulls at FG too. The Flying G bulls have at least as good 205 day weight averages without creep, and their birthweights are significantly lower, they are sired by nationally respected bloodlines, they are proven easier doing and fleshing by those who have owned both; and respected Hereford breeders quietly tell me that they are as good as any in the country. Where do you think I will go? I have made my deal on a Flying G bull with an actual 205 of 740 pounds without creep, and a BW of 70 lbs. He is sired by an HVH Hudson bull who has Optimum ZO3 and Feltons in his pedigree. Very respectable carcass background on the sire. I'm saying don't limit yourself only to the big names. Sometimes there are some breeding decisions some have made that I want to go back and circumvent with the right bloodlines that didn't chase certain fads! [/QUOTE]
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