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First Experience with AI a total fail. Need a better way
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<blockquote data-quote="cow pollinater" data-source="post: 1171944" data-attributes="member: 14661"><p>A couple of thoughts:</p><p>Giving lute on Sunday and breeding on Wednesday is fine just as long as you didn't see any heats on monday or tuesday and assuming that they got the gnrh shot within 24 hours of when he bred them. I flex it out that far all the time. I actually like that better as it's more in time with the cows natural cycle so you're helping it instead of forcing it.</p><p></p><p>Vets are not usually good breeders. I'm sure there are some that can get a cow bred here and there but the ones that I know that have tried it really stink... They over-think everything and somewhere along the line putting semen in the right spot on the right cow seems to fall through the cracks.</p><p></p><p>Did you use cidrs in your sync protocal and are the cows lactating? I AI for a living and I can't get good conception with regular ovsync on lactating beef cows without cidrs. Beef cows won't build a cl for the lut shot to work on early in their lactation so it's possible that you wasted your time syncing them without the cidrs.</p><p></p><p>Another possibility... Nothing was wrong anywhere along the chain of events and luck was just not on your side. A 65% conception rate would be pretty good for synced cows. That DOES NOT mean that two out of three should have stuck. It means that each cow has a 65% chance of sticking. If you had 500 head and did everything right you'd likely see around 65% every year but with three head you can do everything right and have that 35% bite your a$$ some years as you don't have the numbers for it to average out in time. </p><p>Like flipping a coin. You know that is a 50/50 but you still will have times where you lose ten times in a row.</p><p></p><p>Maybe try calling ABS. They don't market lowlines but origen has some and origen is distributed by ABS. You might have to point that out to them(there are a handful of real idiots in their customer service department) but if someone local hears that you want to buy semen then you'll have a breeder contacting you shortly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cow pollinater, post: 1171944, member: 14661"] A couple of thoughts: Giving lute on Sunday and breeding on Wednesday is fine just as long as you didn't see any heats on monday or tuesday and assuming that they got the gnrh shot within 24 hours of when he bred them. I flex it out that far all the time. I actually like that better as it's more in time with the cows natural cycle so you're helping it instead of forcing it. Vets are not usually good breeders. I'm sure there are some that can get a cow bred here and there but the ones that I know that have tried it really stink... They over-think everything and somewhere along the line putting semen in the right spot on the right cow seems to fall through the cracks. Did you use cidrs in your sync protocal and are the cows lactating? I AI for a living and I can't get good conception with regular ovsync on lactating beef cows without cidrs. Beef cows won't build a cl for the lut shot to work on early in their lactation so it's possible that you wasted your time syncing them without the cidrs. Another possibility... Nothing was wrong anywhere along the chain of events and luck was just not on your side. A 65% conception rate would be pretty good for synced cows. That DOES NOT mean that two out of three should have stuck. It means that each cow has a 65% chance of sticking. If you had 500 head and did everything right you'd likely see around 65% every year but with three head you can do everything right and have that 35% bite your a$$ some years as you don't have the numbers for it to average out in time. Like flipping a coin. You know that is a 50/50 but you still will have times where you lose ten times in a row. Maybe try calling ABS. They don't market lowlines but origen has some and origen is distributed by ABS. You might have to point that out to them(there are a handful of real idiots in their customer service department) but if someone local hears that you want to buy semen then you'll have a breeder contacting you shortly. [/QUOTE]
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