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<blockquote data-quote="Brute 23" data-source="post: 1843778" data-attributes="member: 6291"><p>Kenny can probably explain how they handle one of this magnitude.</p><p></p><p>There is a formula for how much of a break vs the flame height That can be used it normal situations. The problem is with this level of intensity, and the right conditions, this thing could be launching embers 600, 800yds or more ahead of the fire and starting spot fires, which then draw to each other, and intensify. I'm not sure if they can stop some thing like this with a mechanical break. You really need a large area of black, another fire, a wind change, some thing to help. </p><p></p><p>We ran in to a situation on the coast where the wind shift and the humidity dropped. It started launching embers off our back burn and started spot fires outside the burn area. By the time we and the fire dept got that under control what little back burn we had lit and ran toward the icw and had turned and become a head fire coming off the water. </p><p></p><p>You could look and see a head fire with flames coming over the tree tops. The vfd on scene did not want us to light any more. I'm talking treating us and some very heated exchanges. They thought they could stop 20'+ flames with a couple water trucks and a 20' mechanical break. It was not going to happen. We had 3 blocks, a couple thousand acres each, between the water and a main hw. What we ended up doing is the main guy got in to an argument with them and we went on the opposite end and lit a back burn, agaisnt their "orders", to try to get as much black (hundreds of yards) between the head fire and the mechanical break to contain it to that block. When they realized what was going on they were POed but luckily a supervisor or some thing for the area showed and told them that was the only option. We worked on a couple sports fires that were jumping out but we did get enough of a back burn they when the two fires met it was over. </p><p></p><p>The saying you have to fight fire with fire is very true in a lot of cases.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brute 23, post: 1843778, member: 6291"] Kenny can probably explain how they handle one of this magnitude. There is a formula for how much of a break vs the flame height That can be used it normal situations. The problem is with this level of intensity, and the right conditions, this thing could be launching embers 600, 800yds or more ahead of the fire and starting spot fires, which then draw to each other, and intensify. I'm not sure if they can stop some thing like this with a mechanical break. You really need a large area of black, another fire, a wind change, some thing to help. We ran in to a situation on the coast where the wind shift and the humidity dropped. It started launching embers off our back burn and started spot fires outside the burn area. By the time we and the fire dept got that under control what little back burn we had lit and ran toward the icw and had turned and become a head fire coming off the water. You could look and see a head fire with flames coming over the tree tops. The vfd on scene did not want us to light any more. I'm talking treating us and some very heated exchanges. They thought they could stop 20'+ flames with a couple water trucks and a 20' mechanical break. It was not going to happen. We had 3 blocks, a couple thousand acres each, between the water and a main hw. What we ended up doing is the main guy got in to an argument with them and we went on the opposite end and lit a back burn, agaisnt their "orders", to try to get as much black (hundreds of yards) between the head fire and the mechanical break to contain it to that block. When they realized what was going on they were POed but luckily a supervisor or some thing for the area showed and told them that was the only option. We worked on a couple sports fires that were jumping out but we did get enough of a back burn they when the two fires met it was over. The saying you have to fight fire with fire is very true in a lot of cases. [/QUOTE]
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