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<blockquote data-quote="stocky" data-source="post: 137297" data-attributes="member: 1150"><p>Okmike, the bank that I do all my cattle business with is alot like the one that J&T is talking about. To buy permanent cattle it is a 3 year loan that I pay 1/3 of the principal and all the interest each year. They loan 65 percent of the initial purchase price of the cattle. I also have 4 lines of credit for buying cattle that I use to buy and hold and then resell. Each of those the interest is due at the end of each year and I am constantly paying down and reborrowing the principal.</p><p> Most banks want interest quarterly or monthly, I would stay away from them. They are the same ones that will cause you problems in case of a bad year. They are only out to bleed the farmer dry and dont actually want farm loans.</p><p> Only borrow what you can afford to pay back. I believe you will need outside income to make the cattle work. I also believe now is the most dangerous time in history to borrow alot of money on cattle. They are sky high and it wont last forever. There are alot of people who are buying 1200 dollar cows that are going to sell some 60-70 cent calves off those cows, but I sure hope I am wrong when I say that. Just speaking from experience. </p><p> I buy alot of thin cows and mixed cows and cows that are healthy but will never look worse. I dont want to pay another guy for getting the cow fat and sassy, that is my job. I try to buy cows that will pay for themselves with 1 1/2 calves at the most, it is hard to buy one that will pay for herself with one calf, but it can be done.</p><p> I buy alot of pairs with the cow already bred back, I raise the calf on her and sell it and then the next calf will normally more than pay for the cow. So, in general you can pay for the cow with the calf she has on her and half of the next calf. That doesnt include feed and interest. With all the expenses, 2 calves will pay for the cow.</p><p> If I pay 1200 for cow without a calf, it will take at least 3 calves to pay for the cow when you figure expenses and percentages. </p><p> The big key is not to pay the high price for the fanciest, prettiest or most popular animals. That is the sure recipe to go broke when the market breaks.</p><p> Good luck with whatever decision you make</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stocky, post: 137297, member: 1150"] Okmike, the bank that I do all my cattle business with is alot like the one that J&T is talking about. To buy permanent cattle it is a 3 year loan that I pay 1/3 of the principal and all the interest each year. They loan 65 percent of the initial purchase price of the cattle. I also have 4 lines of credit for buying cattle that I use to buy and hold and then resell. Each of those the interest is due at the end of each year and I am constantly paying down and reborrowing the principal. Most banks want interest quarterly or monthly, I would stay away from them. They are the same ones that will cause you problems in case of a bad year. They are only out to bleed the farmer dry and dont actually want farm loans. Only borrow what you can afford to pay back. I believe you will need outside income to make the cattle work. I also believe now is the most dangerous time in history to borrow alot of money on cattle. They are sky high and it wont last forever. There are alot of people who are buying 1200 dollar cows that are going to sell some 60-70 cent calves off those cows, but I sure hope I am wrong when I say that. Just speaking from experience. I buy alot of thin cows and mixed cows and cows that are healthy but will never look worse. I dont want to pay another guy for getting the cow fat and sassy, that is my job. I try to buy cows that will pay for themselves with 1 1/2 calves at the most, it is hard to buy one that will pay for herself with one calf, but it can be done. I buy alot of pairs with the cow already bred back, I raise the calf on her and sell it and then the next calf will normally more than pay for the cow. So, in general you can pay for the cow with the calf she has on her and half of the next calf. That doesnt include feed and interest. With all the expenses, 2 calves will pay for the cow. If I pay 1200 for cow without a calf, it will take at least 3 calves to pay for the cow when you figure expenses and percentages. The big key is not to pay the high price for the fanciest, prettiest or most popular animals. That is the sure recipe to go broke when the market breaks. Good luck with whatever decision you make [/QUOTE]
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