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<blockquote data-quote="phillse" data-source="post: 365297" data-attributes="member: 5684"><p>I am not trying to make a black gert, Caustic. </p><p></p><p>In my experience Shorthorn cattle have much to offer, they are gentle, good milkers, gain nicely, grade well and are fertile provided you stay away from the show bloodlines. I personally don't have any brahman influenced cattle, temperment being the issue but down here in south AL most comercial producers want a little ear. I have crosed shorthorn with Angus and they produced nice females and I have crossed them with black Simmentals which made some exceptional females. I think that in an area with predominately Angus based females cobvered by Angus bulls that shorthorn F1 could bring a lot to the table as for as heterosis, while still focusing on complemtary traits.</p><p></p><p>Alftn, Most of My shorthorn cattle are Red, I have a 2 red roans, and 2 Red with White marks. I sold a a bull with white markings and he got all black calves off of black cows. I may get an occasional blue roan, but with my imphasis on red genetics it will be very few.</p><p></p><p>Other than Angus the Bulls of Choice in our area are Charolais and Black Simmental. I am leaning to the black Simmbrah for heterosis reason and complementary traits. However, my father feels that the Simmbrah may have too much ear and leather.</p><p></p><p>The idea is that shorthorn have much to offer, I hav e allready spent several years improving the Shorthorn Genetics in our herd via AI. Many people are interesed in Shorthorn cross females but not in Shorthorn bulls. It is hard to argue with an average of $600 price difference in the price brought by my Simmental bulls and my shorthorn bulls, of equal quality. Therefore I ahve trying to find a way to let people see the value of shorthorn genetics while still providing the black hide they want. Cross them so people can see the value of shorthorn genetics, and hopefully people will become more educated about the breed after they see the performance. MAny people down here do not know a shorthorn when they see one if it is roan they assume it has longhorn in the background somewhere and if it is red they assume it is Red Angus. I have crossed shorthorns with Red Angus and the calves are good, but down here it seems everyone wants black brood cows.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phillse, post: 365297, member: 5684"] I am not trying to make a black gert, Caustic. In my experience Shorthorn cattle have much to offer, they are gentle, good milkers, gain nicely, grade well and are fertile provided you stay away from the show bloodlines. I personally don't have any brahman influenced cattle, temperment being the issue but down here in south AL most comercial producers want a little ear. I have crosed shorthorn with Angus and they produced nice females and I have crossed them with black Simmentals which made some exceptional females. I think that in an area with predominately Angus based females cobvered by Angus bulls that shorthorn F1 could bring a lot to the table as for as heterosis, while still focusing on complemtary traits. Alftn, Most of My shorthorn cattle are Red, I have a 2 red roans, and 2 Red with White marks. I sold a a bull with white markings and he got all black calves off of black cows. I may get an occasional blue roan, but with my imphasis on red genetics it will be very few. Other than Angus the Bulls of Choice in our area are Charolais and Black Simmental. I am leaning to the black Simmbrah for heterosis reason and complementary traits. However, my father feels that the Simmbrah may have too much ear and leather. The idea is that shorthorn have much to offer, I hav e allready spent several years improving the Shorthorn Genetics in our herd via AI. Many people are interesed in Shorthorn cross females but not in Shorthorn bulls. It is hard to argue with an average of $600 price difference in the price brought by my Simmental bulls and my shorthorn bulls, of equal quality. Therefore I ahve trying to find a way to let people see the value of shorthorn genetics while still providing the black hide they want. Cross them so people can see the value of shorthorn genetics, and hopefully people will become more educated about the breed after they see the performance. MAny people down here do not know a shorthorn when they see one if it is roan they assume it has longhorn in the background somewhere and if it is red they assume it is Red Angus. I have crossed shorthorns with Red Angus and the calves are good, but down here it seems everyone wants black brood cows. [/QUOTE]
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