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<blockquote data-quote="Frankie" data-source="post: 40032" data-attributes="member: 13"><p>Ollie said "Frankie , Here is a real world situation. If I am using a Limousine bull now under which my average weaning weight for the steers is 600# what should the Angus bulls epd's be if I want to increase my weaning weight 25 additional pounds? One thing I will give epd's is they make it easier to sell bulls to people that know nothing about cattle."</p><p></p><p>A bull's EPDs will never tell you what a calf will weigh. It's impossible because there's no way to figure in the cow's contribution to WW or management. You're proof that when someone knocks EPDs it's usually because they haven't taken the time to learn how they work. One of the largest ranching operations in OK won't touch a bull without EPDs. They even want ultrasound data these days before they will pay $2-3,000 for a bull. These people know something about cattle. All EPDs will do is tell you is that calves sired by Bull A (with a WW EPD of 50) will be EXPECTED to weigh 25 more pounds at weaning than calves Sired by Bull B (with a WW of 25). Bull A & B being of the same breed. But there's nothing that will tell you what the calves will actually weigh. Anyone who tells you otherwise is pulling your leg. If you take time to read about Angus EPDs, you'll see they make no such claim.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frankie, post: 40032, member: 13"] Ollie said "Frankie , Here is a real world situation. If I am using a Limousine bull now under which my average weaning weight for the steers is 600# what should the Angus bulls epd's be if I want to increase my weaning weight 25 additional pounds? One thing I will give epd's is they make it easier to sell bulls to people that know nothing about cattle." A bull's EPDs will never tell you what a calf will weigh. It's impossible because there's no way to figure in the cow's contribution to WW or management. You're proof that when someone knocks EPDs it's usually because they haven't taken the time to learn how they work. One of the largest ranching operations in OK won't touch a bull without EPDs. They even want ultrasound data these days before they will pay $2-3,000 for a bull. These people know something about cattle. All EPDs will do is tell you is that calves sired by Bull A (with a WW EPD of 50) will be EXPECTED to weigh 25 more pounds at weaning than calves Sired by Bull B (with a WW of 25). Bull A & B being of the same breed. But there's nothing that will tell you what the calves will actually weigh. Anyone who tells you otherwise is pulling your leg. If you take time to read about Angus EPDs, you'll see they make no such claim. [/QUOTE]
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