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<blockquote data-quote="SRBeef" data-source="post: 639401" data-attributes="member: 7509"><p>HS,</p><p></p><p>I can't thank you enough for the education. I take it I should write Jerry Huth ANOTHER nice thank you note?! He is the one that recommended T21 for my situation.</p><p></p><p>The bar chart above is interesting and understandable even for me. That is partially what led me to ask these questions. Obviously a bull with bars that far to the right (and none to the left) can't be too bad but how does this compare to what you actually see when looking at a bull. I take it both together provide more information.</p><p></p><p>Looking for a recent picture of him, I cropped this out of a photo taken recently (2/22/09):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]2[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>I can see where as you say there is some logic behind a leaner/low fat animal being a "hard doer" but that is far from what I see with my bull. He has not been in a building or under a roof since I've had him. He was on grass only until I started grazing standing corn last fall. We've had a pretty tough winter in Wisconsin. It hit -30 deg F. He's had about 20% hay, 80% grazing cornstalks and shelter in the woods. </p><p></p><p>Ocassionally I give all of them a couple pounds of sweet feed to gentle them but not a significant amount as far as feed value goes. They all have good mineral, shots and pour-on. I don't think he looks too bad. He comes when I call him and seems like he has a good disposition (for a bull) but I treat him with respect and am careful around him. I don't get too friendly with him.</p><p></p><p>What I want him to do is to breed my cows and heifers so they calve on their own and raise good solid quick growing calves I finish for direct sale of beef as processed split halves. And then do it again in 60-75 days after the cows calve. I am not interested in selling him or "talking up" his value. I am trying to learn this business and use some of the principles I use in my engineering "day job" as they seem to be appropriate to produce a profitable product and maybe have some fun at the same time. </p><p></p><p>Here are some of the cows he's bred:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>My long term goal is to develop a herd based on calves from T21 and the two smaller cows in this picture. They are my 1200 lb model cows. They have had some very nice thick solid but quicker to mature and high cutting percentage calves from previous matings. They should deliver their first calves from T21 in a few weeks. I've got my fingers crossed for two heifers from these two, #66 & #62 (the shorter ones). </p><p></p><p>This picture is from one of their sweet feed treat days last fall. Rumps were a bit messy since they were still adjusting to grazing the corn in the background.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I appreciate the education here. Thank you, Knersie, Aaron and others who contribute so much information. And from what you indicate above, thanks again to Jerry Huth! I feel like a kid before Christmas waiting to see how T21's first calves come out in a few weeks.</p><p></p><p>A problem I see coming is that what do I do about breeding his daughters in about 16 months?</p><p></p><p>Also, interesting little snippet:</p><p></p><p>"Because of data collected on each animal in a</p><p>pedigree, EPDs and $ indexes are superior in</p><p>prediciting an animal's genetic ability compared</p><p>to an animal's actual measurements."</p><p></p><p>George, do you agree? Anyone else?</p><p></p><p>Jim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SRBeef, post: 639401, member: 7509"] HS, I can't thank you enough for the education. I take it I should write Jerry Huth ANOTHER nice thank you note?! He is the one that recommended T21 for my situation. The bar chart above is interesting and understandable even for me. That is partially what led me to ask these questions. Obviously a bull with bars that far to the right (and none to the left) can't be too bad but how does this compare to what you actually see when looking at a bull. I take it both together provide more information. Looking for a recent picture of him, I cropped this out of a photo taken recently (2/22/09): [ATTACH type="full" alt="IMG_4035 Bull T21 022209_1.jpg"]2[/ATTACH] I can see where as you say there is some logic behind a leaner/low fat animal being a "hard doer" but that is far from what I see with my bull. He has not been in a building or under a roof since I've had him. He was on grass only until I started grazing standing corn last fall. We've had a pretty tough winter in Wisconsin. It hit -30 deg F. He's had about 20% hay, 80% grazing cornstalks and shelter in the woods. Ocassionally I give all of them a couple pounds of sweet feed to gentle them but not a significant amount as far as feed value goes. They all have good mineral, shots and pour-on. I don't think he looks too bad. He comes when I call him and seems like he has a good disposition (for a bull) but I treat him with respect and am careful around him. I don't get too friendly with him. What I want him to do is to breed my cows and heifers so they calve on their own and raise good solid quick growing calves I finish for direct sale of beef as processed split halves. And then do it again in 60-75 days after the cows calve. I am not interested in selling him or "talking up" his value. I am trying to learn this business and use some of the principles I use in my engineering "day job" as they seem to be appropriate to produce a profitable product and maybe have some fun at the same time. Here are some of the cows he's bred: [ATTACH type="full" alt="IMG_4090_1.JPG"]1[/ATTACH] My long term goal is to develop a herd based on calves from T21 and the two smaller cows in this picture. They are my 1200 lb model cows. They have had some very nice thick solid but quicker to mature and high cutting percentage calves from previous matings. They should deliver their first calves from T21 in a few weeks. I've got my fingers crossed for two heifers from these two, #66 & #62 (the shorter ones). This picture is from one of their sweet feed treat days last fall. Rumps were a bit messy since they were still adjusting to grazing the corn in the background. [ATTACH type="full" alt="IMG_3377_1.JPG"]0[/ATTACH] Again, I appreciate the education here. Thank you, Knersie, Aaron and others who contribute so much information. And from what you indicate above, thanks again to Jerry Huth! I feel like a kid before Christmas waiting to see how T21's first calves come out in a few weeks. A problem I see coming is that what do I do about breeding his daughters in about 16 months? Also, interesting little snippet: "Because of data collected on each animal in a pedigree, EPDs and $ indexes are superior in prediciting an animal’s genetic ability compared to an animal’s actual measurements." George, do you agree? Anyone else? Jim [/QUOTE]
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