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<blockquote data-quote="jilleroo" data-source="post: 630951" data-attributes="member: 8192"><p>Many thanks for the informative replies. I felt very chastened and small indeed when I left the vet's. I thought he was a very cranky and unfair considering he had no other alternatives to offer other than destroying the calf. The moment the calf is depressed or unwell, he will be shot but while he is capering about and feeding greedily, we'll keep on trying. I know its financially unviable as he's on milk replacer, but that's my problem - I don't drink or smoke and do my share of work, so I can waste a bit of money on a calf if I want to. We keep a small number of friesian cows to rear calves and supply colostrum - one of them calved yesterday so we have a fresh batch of colostrum for future use and, if the calf keeps okay, I can put him on to her. He's such a greedy guts, I'm sure he'll take to any source of milk available! I still give him only a 40% chance of making it, to be realistic.</p><p>As for "using drugs indiscriminately", I also felt this very unfair. We run about 3,000 cattle in total and I would use a 50ml bottle of dex every two years, an oxytet in a year or more, and some broad spectrum penicillin as required. I might use dex once or twice a year to induce a grossly swollen overdue heifer if I'm going away and can't check her. Hardly throwing the stuff around with gay abandon. It's just not the done thing out here where we are to "manage" your herd to any extent. We also want to needle heifers which are a bit bigger at weaning to eliminate unwanted pregnancies, but its hard to get any help there either. I'm also made to feel like a criminal wanting the drug to do that! Surely that is good management, rather than pulling calves out of too-small heifers.</p><p>He also commented (relating to drug use) "No wonder you have so much trouble". Huh? One calf with joint ill that I gave a needle he didn't approve of? Can't think of anything else much that has happened lately....</p><p>That's why I like this website - you can identify with like-minded people and look at ways of improving herd management - but sometimes its an uphill battle!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jilleroo, post: 630951, member: 8192"] Many thanks for the informative replies. I felt very chastened and small indeed when I left the vet's. I thought he was a very cranky and unfair considering he had no other alternatives to offer other than destroying the calf. The moment the calf is depressed or unwell, he will be shot but while he is capering about and feeding greedily, we'll keep on trying. I know its financially unviable as he's on milk replacer, but that's my problem - I don't drink or smoke and do my share of work, so I can waste a bit of money on a calf if I want to. We keep a small number of friesian cows to rear calves and supply colostrum - one of them calved yesterday so we have a fresh batch of colostrum for future use and, if the calf keeps okay, I can put him on to her. He's such a greedy guts, I'm sure he'll take to any source of milk available! I still give him only a 40% chance of making it, to be realistic. As for "using drugs indiscriminately", I also felt this very unfair. We run about 3,000 cattle in total and I would use a 50ml bottle of dex every two years, an oxytet in a year or more, and some broad spectrum penicillin as required. I might use dex once or twice a year to induce a grossly swollen overdue heifer if I'm going away and can't check her. Hardly throwing the stuff around with gay abandon. It's just not the done thing out here where we are to "manage" your herd to any extent. We also want to needle heifers which are a bit bigger at weaning to eliminate unwanted pregnancies, but its hard to get any help there either. I'm also made to feel like a criminal wanting the drug to do that! Surely that is good management, rather than pulling calves out of too-small heifers. He also commented (relating to drug use) "No wonder you have so much trouble". Huh? One calf with joint ill that I gave a needle he didn't approve of? Can't think of anything else much that has happened lately.... That's why I like this website - you can identify with like-minded people and look at ways of improving herd management - but sometimes its an uphill battle! [/QUOTE]
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