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<blockquote data-quote="john250" data-source="post: 679013" data-attributes="member: 4406"><p>I'd guess you don't think they can cut costs. I know I don't. </p><p>I'd love a world where everyone can go to the doctor and it doesn't cost more than it does now. But more money available for health care just means the money will all get spent.</p><p>Whenever USDA announces some new program for farmers, the bright boys get to running their spreadsheets to "game" the program. And those are just the "dumb farmers". Imagine motivating doctors to "game" the program. (some of those MD's are pretty smart) The medical community will cry and whine, but they'll make money like they were given a printing press. </p><p>I don't have a problem with doctors making big $, if they make it giving compassionate, caring treatment to patients. I've just seen too many government programs where people haul corn from Indiana to S. Dakota for no purpose other than maximizing a government payment. </p><p>A local doctor recently went the "fee for service" route. Go see him and keep the insurance card in your wallet. Pay cash. I don't audit his books, but I think he is doing well. He no longer pays 2 nurses to fill out insurance forms and he doesn't have the time drain of doing that himself. </p><p>Don't you wonder how much of the health care bill is just for people filling out forms? It seems to me that any doctor worth seeing has two assistants, often with nursing degrees, filling out his insurance forms so he can get paid. The insurers have an equal number of people at desks checking that all the boxes are correctly filled out. </p><p>Had I been elected in 08, I would be proposing legislation which makes it illegal for anyone to pay someone else's medical bills. Doctors need to look their patients in the eye and say "here is what it will cost and this is how I expect to be paid". </p><p>My parents paid a grand total of $45 to the hospital when I was born in 1950. Dr. Marcella probably got that much more. So, I came in under $100. My daughter in 1986 cost about $1500. Her mother worked a deal through Planned Parenthood where the doctor cut his fee. (aside: he was an excellent doctor. Old Ky gentleman. Wife loved him. After the delivery, he pulled the batteries out of a smoke detector and we shared a cigarette) I wrote them a check and we were good to go. If we had been on good insurance, we would still have had a co-pay to deal with. The copay would likely have been about $1500. :frowns: </p><p>The US seems determined to expand the system we have, just transferring some of the system from insurance companies to govt beauracrats. The system which is already breaking us. Remember, GM failed because they were burdened with health care for hundreds of thousands of employees, many retired. Transferring that burden to the US is risking the same fate as GM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="john250, post: 679013, member: 4406"] I'd guess you don't think they can cut costs. I know I don't. I'd love a world where everyone can go to the doctor and it doesn't cost more than it does now. But more money available for health care just means the money will all get spent. Whenever USDA announces some new program for farmers, the bright boys get to running their spreadsheets to "game" the program. And those are just the "dumb farmers". Imagine motivating doctors to "game" the program. (some of those MD's are pretty smart) The medical community will cry and whine, but they'll make money like they were given a printing press. I don't have a problem with doctors making big $, if they make it giving compassionate, caring treatment to patients. I've just seen too many government programs where people haul corn from Indiana to S. Dakota for no purpose other than maximizing a government payment. A local doctor recently went the "fee for service" route. Go see him and keep the insurance card in your wallet. Pay cash. I don't audit his books, but I think he is doing well. He no longer pays 2 nurses to fill out insurance forms and he doesn't have the time drain of doing that himself. Don't you wonder how much of the health care bill is just for people filling out forms? It seems to me that any doctor worth seeing has two assistants, often with nursing degrees, filling out his insurance forms so he can get paid. The insurers have an equal number of people at desks checking that all the boxes are correctly filled out. Had I been elected in 08, I would be proposing legislation which makes it illegal for anyone to pay someone else's medical bills. Doctors need to look their patients in the eye and say "here is what it will cost and this is how I expect to be paid". My parents paid a grand total of $45 to the hospital when I was born in 1950. Dr. Marcella probably got that much more. So, I came in under $100. My daughter in 1986 cost about $1500. Her mother worked a deal through Planned Parenthood where the doctor cut his fee. (aside: he was an excellent doctor. Old Ky gentleman. Wife loved him. After the delivery, he pulled the batteries out of a smoke detector and we shared a cigarette) I wrote them a check and we were good to go. If we had been on good insurance, we would still have had a co-pay to deal with. The copay would likely have been about $1500. :frowns: The US seems determined to expand the system we have, just transferring some of the system from insurance companies to govt beauracrats. The system which is already breaking us. Remember, GM failed because they were burdened with health care for hundreds of thousands of employees, many retired. Transferring that burden to the US is risking the same fate as GM. [/QUOTE]
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