Menu
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New profile posts
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Forums
Cattle Boards
Health & Nutrition
Diamtious earth as a wormer
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Help Support CattleToday:
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1074320" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>DE has never killed a worm inside a goat, or any other animal. The whole premise behind using it is bogus. If you were swimming in a pool with a bunch of floating razorblades, would they cut your skin and make you dry out? No, they'd just pass on by - and you're immersed in a fluid medium, so where's the drying come into the act?</p><p>It may have some effect on external parasites, but not INTERNAL parasites.</p><p>Studies have been done multiple times; virtually no evidence of a positive effect. </p><p>One study, where they were feeding a ration containing 5% DE (We're talking 5% of the total ration - talk about dry & dusty!), fecal pellets were dry and friable, and there appears to have been *possibly* diminished larval survival in the feces - due to the dessicating effect of that high level of DE. </p><p></p><p>Folks who use it with 'good results' are MANAGING properly - good nutrition, BROWSE, proper stocking density, good mineral program, sanitation, etc.. Their animals are not healthy because they're feeding DE - it's because they're doing everything else right.</p><p>Have seen some real trainwrecks when (typical) folks who didn't manage properly bought into the snake oil sales' pitch and tried to use DE as a 'natural' dewormer. High death losses due to barberpole worm (<em>Haemonchus contortus</em>. They had to learn the hard way - and it was harder on the goats than on them.</p><p></p><p>Have seen one reported case of an 'outbreak' of urinary stones/urethral blockage in feeder steers that someone incorporated DE into the ration on - they didn't consider the mineral content of the DE and it skewed Ca<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> ratio , and with the added silica, they had steers blocking left and right. </p><p></p><p>Folks feed DE (at what level?) and report that their animals are healthy, with bright eyes, shiny coats, can run faster and jump higher - but they don't do fecal egg counts, and don't have a control group that's not getting it, so there's no real way of comparing anything. Sure you can SAY it's working, but is it? </p><p></p><p>Sorry (actually, I'm not), but money folks spend on DE would probably be better spent buying some good mineral mix and some additional protein supplement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1074320, member: 12607"] DE has never killed a worm inside a goat, or any other animal. The whole premise behind using it is bogus. If you were swimming in a pool with a bunch of floating razorblades, would they cut your skin and make you dry out? No, they'd just pass on by - and you're immersed in a fluid medium, so where's the drying come into the act? It may have some effect on external parasites, but not INTERNAL parasites. Studies have been done multiple times; virtually no evidence of a positive effect. One study, where they were feeding a ration containing 5% DE (We're talking 5% of the total ration - talk about dry & dusty!), fecal pellets were dry and friable, and there appears to have been *possibly* diminished larval survival in the feces - due to the dessicating effect of that high level of DE. Folks who use it with 'good results' are MANAGING properly - good nutrition, BROWSE, proper stocking density, good mineral program, sanitation, etc.. Their animals are not healthy because they're feeding DE - it's because they're doing everything else right. Have seen some real trainwrecks when (typical) folks who didn't manage properly bought into the snake oil sales' pitch and tried to use DE as a 'natural' dewormer. High death losses due to barberpole worm ([i]Haemonchus contortus[/i]. They had to learn the hard way - and it was harder on the goats than on them. Have seen one reported case of an 'outbreak' of urinary stones/urethral blockage in feeder steers that someone incorporated DE into the ration on - they didn't consider the mineral content of the DE and it skewed Ca:P ratio , and with the added silica, they had steers blocking left and right. Folks feed DE (at what level?) and report that their animals are healthy, with bright eyes, shiny coats, can run faster and jump higher - but they don't do fecal egg counts, and don't have a control group that's not getting it, so there's no real way of comparing anything. Sure you can SAY it's working, but is it? Sorry (actually, I'm not), but money folks spend on DE would probably be better spent buying some good mineral mix and some additional protein supplement. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Cattle Boards
Health & Nutrition
Diamtious earth as a wormer
Top