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<blockquote data-quote="wbvs58" data-source="post: 1055980" data-attributes="member: 16453"><p>I think we are just going to have to get used to these problems showing up and having to deal with them. </p><p>I do think though that the associations will have to be a bit more flexible and not so hard line and let the seedstock producer be informed and make the decisions them selves. Defects like this DD are not new and these genetics have been heavily used for a long time, you can't tell me that they become a problem for commercial cattle producers overnight. Defective calves have not been seen to be a problem and lower fertility has not been observed. Yes it is the responsibility of seedstock producers to identify carriers and move away from these genetics but I see no problem with selling bulls already on the ground as long as they are identified and purchasers are made aware of the problem. They are suitable for cross breeding. </p><p>I have found that Angus Australia has handled this pretty well, they got the information out to us and updated regularly and made provision for testing promptly. I have just started to join my cows and was able to ensure the semen I plan to use is all free and I got the bulls that I plan to use tested as well as last years so at least all my calves will at least be clean from the sires side. My foundation cows are being tested at the moment and from the probability %ages I will be doing OK if I only get about 1/3 showing up as carriers but I will be able to deal with that. </p><p>In Australia we have been able to register calves even if they have tested as carriers of any of the genetic conditions. This has not hindered eradicating the conditions, as long as you are aware of what is affected and what are not and you don't join two carriers. Many people elect to breed from some very good cows that are carriers and then test the resultant offspring with the aim of getting some clear replacements.</p><p>I get the impression that there are a few people from other breeds and also within the Angus breed that have not used the affected bloodlines that are gloating a bit and saying I told you so, I new that would happen. Well at least Angus are identifying these problems and with modern technology rapid steps are taken to rectify things.</p><p>Ken</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wbvs58, post: 1055980, member: 16453"] I think we are just going to have to get used to these problems showing up and having to deal with them. I do think though that the associations will have to be a bit more flexible and not so hard line and let the seedstock producer be informed and make the decisions them selves. Defects like this DD are not new and these genetics have been heavily used for a long time, you can't tell me that they become a problem for commercial cattle producers overnight. Defective calves have not been seen to be a problem and lower fertility has not been observed. Yes it is the responsibility of seedstock producers to identify carriers and move away from these genetics but I see no problem with selling bulls already on the ground as long as they are identified and purchasers are made aware of the problem. They are suitable for cross breeding. I have found that Angus Australia has handled this pretty well, they got the information out to us and updated regularly and made provision for testing promptly. I have just started to join my cows and was able to ensure the semen I plan to use is all free and I got the bulls that I plan to use tested as well as last years so at least all my calves will at least be clean from the sires side. My foundation cows are being tested at the moment and from the probability %ages I will be doing OK if I only get about 1/3 showing up as carriers but I will be able to deal with that. In Australia we have been able to register calves even if they have tested as carriers of any of the genetic conditions. This has not hindered eradicating the conditions, as long as you are aware of what is affected and what are not and you don't join two carriers. Many people elect to breed from some very good cows that are carriers and then test the resultant offspring with the aim of getting some clear replacements. I get the impression that there are a few people from other breeds and also within the Angus breed that have not used the affected bloodlines that are gloating a bit and saying I told you so, I new that would happen. Well at least Angus are identifying these problems and with modern technology rapid steps are taken to rectify things. Ken [/QUOTE]
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