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<blockquote data-quote="stocky" data-source="post: 90935" data-attributes="member: 1150"><p>kaneranch, i am not sure how far west you live in oklahoma----i am 60 miles from oklahoma in missuori and we get 100 degree days in the summer and below 0 nights in the winter. i am not sure how your weather differs from ours and if you have good grass or brushy grass. here, most any kind of cow will do pretty well as long as the cow doesnt have alot of ear-----meaning brahma, such as brangus or beefmaster etc. the beefmasters get big, but anything with alot of ear takes a huge discount at sale time for the calves. i would suggest a good cross of angus, hereford and if you have good grass, they could have a little dairy in them to give them extra milk. i would cross these cows with a charlois or black bull, the idea would be to get a black or yellow calf---stay away from red or pure white calves, the get discounted as much as eared calves.</p><p> right now, pairs are sky high. i sold pairs a few weeks ago that normally bring 700 dollars for 1200-1300 and that was with 2 week old calves. i cant imagine those cattle ever paying for themselves.</p><p> it is a dangerous time to pay that kind of money for pairs. I would suggest buying pairs with 400 lb calves that are bred back so you can sell the calf by august to get half your money back right away, or buy a thin, suckled down 2nd period cow for 600-700 dollars and get a calf in september with a smaller investment. Also, a thin second period cow will show you how much milk she was giving and you will know you have a good calf raiser. </p><p> dont be in such a hurry that you have to have pairs, that you pay a fortune and put yourself in a big hole in case of a drought or bad market conditions, they will both come someday---best of luck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stocky, post: 90935, member: 1150"] kaneranch, i am not sure how far west you live in oklahoma----i am 60 miles from oklahoma in missuori and we get 100 degree days in the summer and below 0 nights in the winter. i am not sure how your weather differs from ours and if you have good grass or brushy grass. here, most any kind of cow will do pretty well as long as the cow doesnt have alot of ear-----meaning brahma, such as brangus or beefmaster etc. the beefmasters get big, but anything with alot of ear takes a huge discount at sale time for the calves. i would suggest a good cross of angus, hereford and if you have good grass, they could have a little dairy in them to give them extra milk. i would cross these cows with a charlois or black bull, the idea would be to get a black or yellow calf---stay away from red or pure white calves, the get discounted as much as eared calves. right now, pairs are sky high. i sold pairs a few weeks ago that normally bring 700 dollars for 1200-1300 and that was with 2 week old calves. i cant imagine those cattle ever paying for themselves. it is a dangerous time to pay that kind of money for pairs. I would suggest buying pairs with 400 lb calves that are bred back so you can sell the calf by august to get half your money back right away, or buy a thin, suckled down 2nd period cow for 600-700 dollars and get a calf in september with a smaller investment. Also, a thin second period cow will show you how much milk she was giving and you will know you have a good calf raiser. dont be in such a hurry that you have to have pairs, that you pay a fortune and put yourself in a big hole in case of a drought or bad market conditions, they will both come someday---best of luck [/QUOTE]
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