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Cow Frame Size, interseeded clover year 2 and some pictures
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<blockquote data-quote="BRG" data-source="post: 674952" data-attributes="member: 2397"><p>I agree with Dun. If you have a frame 6.5 to 7 terminal bull and use him on your 4 frame cows, one would think you would get a whole bunch of 5.5 frame calves to sell, but you won't. You will end up with small bunches of 4 frames small bunches of 5 frames, small bunches of 6 frames and a group of 7's as well. When you sell, they will then be sorted up into frame sizes and you will sell 4 groups of steers and 4 groups of heifers. Instead of just 1 large one and 1 smaller group. In our area, 1 large group of calves ALWAYS brings $3 to $5 per hundred weight more than the smaller groups. Then they ussually sort for color as well, depending on what type of cow you have and what type of terminal bull you use, you may have smaller groups of calves again due to color.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that you should not strictly breed for the feedlot, as that is a wreck waiting to happen. On the same note I don't think you should strictly breed for the pasture either. In our experience, you can have a cowherd that does both, as we do. Our income is to sell bulls, We sell coming 2 year olds that were developed 7 months in the lot with out any grain, and then 5 months in the pasture, so they have to be able to perform on roughage. We then sell about 50 yearlings that are developed in the lot with some grains. These bulls will gain well and efficiently and have the 6 frame I need to be able to sell them with good bone, length and muscle development. (If I was to have the small frame bulls I would have a whole bunch more finner boned, not as heavy muscled bulls as I do now) Now our summer calving cows winter graze without any protein supplement and they only get hay if their is to much snow or a blizzard. These cows are not small by no means, but they have the depth of body and easy fleshing ability to handle it. Our spring calvers do get hay over the winter and ussually left over grass hay, but that is it. </p><p></p><p>If I were to try to sell stricly 4 to 5 frame Red Angus bulls I would only get about 25% of my bulls sold as nearly all of my customers breed Red Angus to Red Angus (right or wrong, this is what they do) So I NEED to develop and sell bulls that will do both, work in the pasture and work in the lot. </p><p></p><p>To top it off, most of the pasture here is rented on a cow/calf unit instead of by the acre, no matter what size of cow you have, so you might as well have a cow that will raise a 600 to 650 lbs calf instead of a 500 to 550 lbs calf.</p><p></p><p>But to each his own, if it works for you, don't fix it, but if it isn't then you better <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BRG, post: 674952, member: 2397"] I agree with Dun. If you have a frame 6.5 to 7 terminal bull and use him on your 4 frame cows, one would think you would get a whole bunch of 5.5 frame calves to sell, but you won't. You will end up with small bunches of 4 frames small bunches of 5 frames, small bunches of 6 frames and a group of 7's as well. When you sell, they will then be sorted up into frame sizes and you will sell 4 groups of steers and 4 groups of heifers. Instead of just 1 large one and 1 smaller group. In our area, 1 large group of calves ALWAYS brings $3 to $5 per hundred weight more than the smaller groups. Then they ussually sort for color as well, depending on what type of cow you have and what type of terminal bull you use, you may have smaller groups of calves again due to color. I do agree that you should not strictly breed for the feedlot, as that is a wreck waiting to happen. On the same note I don't think you should strictly breed for the pasture either. In our experience, you can have a cowherd that does both, as we do. Our income is to sell bulls, We sell coming 2 year olds that were developed 7 months in the lot with out any grain, and then 5 months in the pasture, so they have to be able to perform on roughage. We then sell about 50 yearlings that are developed in the lot with some grains. These bulls will gain well and efficiently and have the 6 frame I need to be able to sell them with good bone, length and muscle development. (If I was to have the small frame bulls I would have a whole bunch more finner boned, not as heavy muscled bulls as I do now) Now our summer calving cows winter graze without any protein supplement and they only get hay if their is to much snow or a blizzard. These cows are not small by no means, but they have the depth of body and easy fleshing ability to handle it. Our spring calvers do get hay over the winter and ussually left over grass hay, but that is it. If I were to try to sell stricly 4 to 5 frame Red Angus bulls I would only get about 25% of my bulls sold as nearly all of my customers breed Red Angus to Red Angus (right or wrong, this is what they do) So I NEED to develop and sell bulls that will do both, work in the pasture and work in the lot. To top it off, most of the pasture here is rented on a cow/calf unit instead of by the acre, no matter what size of cow you have, so you might as well have a cow that will raise a 600 to 650 lbs calf instead of a 500 to 550 lbs calf. But to each his own, if it works for you, don't fix it, but if it isn't then you better :) [/QUOTE]
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