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<blockquote data-quote="smnherf" data-source="post: 304330" data-attributes="member: 3235"><p>Some very good thoughts and advice on this thread have been shared by many. I am thrilled that many of you do the homewrok ahead of time and know what you want. I sell privately and it is hard to sell a bull to someone who doesn't know what he wants or even what he needs.</p><p></p><p>Here are my selection criteria for what it is worth.</p><p></p><p>I use every bit of information I can get my hands on from geneotype to epds to actual performance data and ratios to ultrasound data. The data has to be right or close before I will go see the bull. As a seedstock provider, I feel it all has relevance in my operation and I make the selection based on how this fits in with the goals of my operation. The biggest thing is to make the data conform to my standards for phenotype. I am not afraid to push the higher performing epds, provided they fit my phenotype. Thick, easy fleshing, low maintenace trouble free cattle, with a moderate amount of mature weight is the goal. </p><p></p><p>I am relatively new to the bull business, but have spent my entire lifetime in the commercial cattle business. Many of my customers are demanding more and more information. I tend to give them the same informaiton I would want when selecting bulls. If I don't get the information I need, I move on, as I would expect the commercial bull buyers to do.</p><p></p><p>One thing that hasn't been mentioned at least for my criteria in bull selection is that I like to use bulls that are sired by proven bulls out of proven dams. I want them to have calves on the ground, steers hung on the rail and daughters with a couple of calf crops under their belt. The bulls that have a pedigree full of unproven genetics scares me away pretty fast. Especially if they are promoted as show cattle. They may be the best cattle in the world, but I will let someone else make the mistakes if they aren't. I can't afford to take steps backwards even if I am not always on the cutting edge with the newest and hottest genetics out there. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The mother needs to have had 4 or 5 calves at least and I want to know if the production of the bulls grandmother too.</p><p></p><p>I am not totally against using a young bull on a limited basis, as I did with M326, but he has to have the right phenotype, have the right data, be out of a proven sire, dam and granddam and backed by a good outfit. </p><p></p><p>Have a good day,</p><p></p><p>Brian</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smnherf, post: 304330, member: 3235"] Some very good thoughts and advice on this thread have been shared by many. I am thrilled that many of you do the homewrok ahead of time and know what you want. I sell privately and it is hard to sell a bull to someone who doesn't know what he wants or even what he needs. Here are my selection criteria for what it is worth. I use every bit of information I can get my hands on from geneotype to epds to actual performance data and ratios to ultrasound data. The data has to be right or close before I will go see the bull. As a seedstock provider, I feel it all has relevance in my operation and I make the selection based on how this fits in with the goals of my operation. The biggest thing is to make the data conform to my standards for phenotype. I am not afraid to push the higher performing epds, provided they fit my phenotype. Thick, easy fleshing, low maintenace trouble free cattle, with a moderate amount of mature weight is the goal. I am relatively new to the bull business, but have spent my entire lifetime in the commercial cattle business. Many of my customers are demanding more and more information. I tend to give them the same informaiton I would want when selecting bulls. If I don't get the information I need, I move on, as I would expect the commercial bull buyers to do. One thing that hasn't been mentioned at least for my criteria in bull selection is that I like to use bulls that are sired by proven bulls out of proven dams. I want them to have calves on the ground, steers hung on the rail and daughters with a couple of calf crops under their belt. The bulls that have a pedigree full of unproven genetics scares me away pretty fast. Especially if they are promoted as show cattle. They may be the best cattle in the world, but I will let someone else make the mistakes if they aren't. I can't afford to take steps backwards even if I am not always on the cutting edge with the newest and hottest genetics out there. The mother needs to have had 4 or 5 calves at least and I want to know if the production of the bulls grandmother too. I am not totally against using a young bull on a limited basis, as I did with M326, but he has to have the right phenotype, have the right data, be out of a proven sire, dam and granddam and backed by a good outfit. Have a good day, Brian [/QUOTE]
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