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<blockquote data-quote="Running Arrow Bill" data-source="post: 184813" data-attributes="member: 9"><p>Calves getting sick or diseased is not the "normal" thing. It is the exception. Clarification: IF your cattle and/or calves have proper nutrition, come from a hardy disease-free herd, your facility is relatively "clean" and "safe", they have protection (shelter of some type) from cold windy rainy snowy weather at calving time, and they don't get injured as result of an accident, they "shouldn't" get sick.</p><p></p><p>IF the bull and cow (or heifer) are matched in genetics and/or the calf is not too large at birth (due to improper mating or breed characteristics) then everything else being equal, you should have a viable, healthy calf that hits the ground running and continues to thrive.</p><p></p><p>SOME breeds (and breeding matches) can produce calves that are too large for the first calf heifer and/or a certain cow. This results in difficult births and/or having to pull calf and/or one or both die at delivery.</p><p></p><p>When people say that one should "always" expect X number of losses when raising cattle, then IMO something is not working well, whatever it is. And, it can be due to one's location (or wrong environment for that breed), and where there are "bad" predators around that kill calves. Other causes result from calves (or others) having an accident, drowning in pond or creek, getting tangled up in something and cant get loose. Other factors include livestock operations where cattle are not inspected or looked at frequently due to absentee ownership, HUGE ranches that are difficult to monitor all the stock, and other things. Then, there are always those rare "Acts Of God" that no one has any control over.</p><p></p><p>We've only had ONE calf death: Was a breech birth from a cow we acquired that was part of (an extra) a sale deal. She had one more chance...never got pregnant...she went to sale barn.</p><p></p><p>University research reported a 99.7% unassisted calving record among Longhorns. Our experience has matched this. Bulls that we have leased out to commercial herds for cross-breeding have resulted in NO calving difficulties or losses (two of these ranches had about a 20% loss using their "commercial" bulls...</p><p></p><p>There is more than one side to any story... everyone needs to make their own choices and decisions where their livestock program is and is going... ;-)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Running Arrow Bill, post: 184813, member: 9"] Calves getting sick or diseased is not the "normal" thing. It is the exception. Clarification: IF your cattle and/or calves have proper nutrition, come from a hardy disease-free herd, your facility is relatively "clean" and "safe", they have protection (shelter of some type) from cold windy rainy snowy weather at calving time, and they don't get injured as result of an accident, they "shouldn't" get sick. IF the bull and cow (or heifer) are matched in genetics and/or the calf is not too large at birth (due to improper mating or breed characteristics) then everything else being equal, you should have a viable, healthy calf that hits the ground running and continues to thrive. SOME breeds (and breeding matches) can produce calves that are too large for the first calf heifer and/or a certain cow. This results in difficult births and/or having to pull calf and/or one or both die at delivery. When people say that one should "always" expect X number of losses when raising cattle, then IMO something is not working well, whatever it is. And, it can be due to one's location (or wrong environment for that breed), and where there are "bad" predators around that kill calves. Other causes result from calves (or others) having an accident, drowning in pond or creek, getting tangled up in something and cant get loose. Other factors include livestock operations where cattle are not inspected or looked at frequently due to absentee ownership, HUGE ranches that are difficult to monitor all the stock, and other things. Then, there are always those rare "Acts Of God" that no one has any control over. We've only had ONE calf death: Was a breech birth from a cow we acquired that was part of (an extra) a sale deal. She had one more chance...never got pregnant...she went to sale barn. University research reported a 99.7% unassisted calving record among Longhorns. Our experience has matched this. Bulls that we have leased out to commercial herds for cross-breeding have resulted in NO calving difficulties or losses (two of these ranches had about a 20% loss using their "commercial" bulls... There is more than one side to any story... everyone needs to make their own choices and decisions where their livestock program is and is going... ;-) [/QUOTE]
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