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<blockquote data-quote="Bez+" data-source="post: 693705" data-attributes="member: 6797"><p>In truth I am not sure I understand your comment about subsidies and costs. I have heard you say it before - but the cost of a gallon of fuel is not dependent upon your subsidy. Either way a subsidy does reduce your overall cost - perhaps I am missing something and you need to simplify for this dummie.</p><p></p><p>First - your government supports ag - we wish ours did.</p><p></p><p>Second - I wish I could let land lie for 20 years and get paid for it - I think you call it CRA - I cannot - and I know not everyone in the US can - but many can and do - this program does not exist in Canada. Corn, wheat, beans, cotton and barley are heavily supported by the State and Fed governments subsidies and cheques are delivered from the feds regularly - we do not get any. So when we talk how things work north and south - we are often talking apple and oranges. I can - but will not - provide specific examples of people - all open access - down to the dollar that they receive every year - all you need is their address and you can find them on the web - you need the site I will be happy to provide. You can look them up yourself. Some are making big dollar subsidies - so profit from cows is not always required.</p><p></p><p>For us - we make a profit on the cow or we are dead meat.</p><p></p><p>Third - It takes only about two or three western US states to not only equal - but actually exceed our entire national ag budget</p><p></p><p>Fourth - we could not charge people money to hunt our land - so far it is illegal in most if not all areas.</p><p></p><p>Finally - am not p!ssed at you for this - although I do admit to a great deal of envy - I only wish my own country would recognize the value and importance of ag. As an example - the second largest job provider in Ontario and Alberta is ag. I think Manitoba and Saskatchewan ag is number three but do not quote me.</p><p></p><p>Not one dime of "stimulus" money. Yet the big three auto thieving barstards got a tonne - and almost all of it went out of country!</p><p></p><p>Ag is fine in Canada - as long as one person works off farm - better if two do - there are very few farms and ranches that are 100% self supporting any more.</p><p></p><p>Alberta farmer is only one of many that has decided to stop working for nothing to feed people who bittch about the cost of a steak.</p><p></p><p>Cheers</p><p></p><p>Bez+</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bez+, post: 693705, member: 6797"] In truth I am not sure I understand your comment about subsidies and costs. I have heard you say it before - but the cost of a gallon of fuel is not dependent upon your subsidy. Either way a subsidy does reduce your overall cost - perhaps I am missing something and you need to simplify for this dummie. First - your government supports ag - we wish ours did. Second - I wish I could let land lie for 20 years and get paid for it - I think you call it CRA - I cannot - and I know not everyone in the US can - but many can and do - this program does not exist in Canada. Corn, wheat, beans, cotton and barley are heavily supported by the State and Fed governments subsidies and cheques are delivered from the feds regularly - we do not get any. So when we talk how things work north and south - we are often talking apple and oranges. I can - but will not - provide specific examples of people - all open access - down to the dollar that they receive every year - all you need is their address and you can find them on the web - you need the site I will be happy to provide. You can look them up yourself. Some are making big dollar subsidies - so profit from cows is not always required. For us - we make a profit on the cow or we are dead meat. Third - It takes only about two or three western US states to not only equal - but actually exceed our entire national ag budget Fourth - we could not charge people money to hunt our land - so far it is illegal in most if not all areas. Finally - am not p!ssed at you for this - although I do admit to a great deal of envy - I only wish my own country would recognize the value and importance of ag. As an example - the second largest job provider in Ontario and Alberta is ag. I think Manitoba and Saskatchewan ag is number three but do not quote me. Not one dime of "stimulus" money. Yet the big three auto thieving barstards got a tonne - and almost all of it went out of country! Ag is fine in Canada - as long as one person works off farm - better if two do - there are very few farms and ranches that are 100% self supporting any more. Alberta farmer is only one of many that has decided to stop working for nothing to feed people who bittch about the cost of a steak. Cheers Bez+ [/QUOTE]
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