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<blockquote data-quote="Dylan Biggs" data-source="post: 882890" data-attributes="member: 14282"><p>mlazyj, I agree with some of what you say, "the all day" frame of mind, going early in the heat, and preventing bums by taking the time to pair when required. Respectfully, where your thoughts don't describe mine is in the following regards. The pile, I don't intentionally bunch them if they are prepared to drift and or ideally string, both preferable to a pile or a bunch, more natural herd movement, much easier to stay paired. Regarding not letting cows "quit" you, my experience is that cattle only quit the natural safety of their herd mates if they are feeling insecure because of feeling what they percieve as excessive pressure. Cows or yearlings only quit me if I make the mistake of giving them cause. If a cow feels threatened enough to quit a herd the last thing I would do is run her back, that would be more of what already caused her to quit in the first place. Dealing with untrained nervous flighty cattle requires acute attention to any and every individual that exhibits the signs of nervouness that fortells their thoughts of leaving and one must immediately give ground to relieve the excessive pressure the animals is telling you it is expeiencing regardless of how you percieve the pressure. The way I see it is cattle don't need to "know that's where they belong", they need to know the herd is a safe place to be, then they won't feel the need to leave in the first place. </p><p></p><p>I am with you in prefering horses also, but cattle can be herded very effectively with a four wheeler as long as it is operated in the proper position at the proper distance and speed as long as they don't mind breathing exhaust fumes. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Dylan Biggs</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dylan Biggs, post: 882890, member: 14282"] mlazyj, I agree with some of what you say, "the all day" frame of mind, going early in the heat, and preventing bums by taking the time to pair when required. Respectfully, where your thoughts don't describe mine is in the following regards. The pile, I don't intentionally bunch them if they are prepared to drift and or ideally string, both preferable to a pile or a bunch, more natural herd movement, much easier to stay paired. Regarding not letting cows "quit" you, my experience is that cattle only quit the natural safety of their herd mates if they are feeling insecure because of feeling what they percieve as excessive pressure. Cows or yearlings only quit me if I make the mistake of giving them cause. If a cow feels threatened enough to quit a herd the last thing I would do is run her back, that would be more of what already caused her to quit in the first place. Dealing with untrained nervous flighty cattle requires acute attention to any and every individual that exhibits the signs of nervouness that fortells their thoughts of leaving and one must immediately give ground to relieve the excessive pressure the animals is telling you it is expeiencing regardless of how you percieve the pressure. The way I see it is cattle don't need to "know that's where they belong", they need to know the herd is a safe place to be, then they won't feel the need to leave in the first place. I am with you in prefering horses also, but cattle can be herded very effectively with a four wheeler as long as it is operated in the proper position at the proper distance and speed as long as they don't mind breathing exhaust fumes. :) Dylan Biggs [/QUOTE]
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