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<blockquote data-quote="VCC" data-source="post: 1095157" data-attributes="member: 6399"><p>As for the loser part, I think he was trying to say look <u>closer</u>, and missed the c. </p><p>The club calf industry breeds cattle for shows, that is their goal, which is why they are called Club Calves. How many calves with defects have you heard about or seen from commercial outfits?</p><p>This discussion has been going on since they found the TH and PHA defects and identified the carriers, some thought that all carriers should have been sent to slaughter; other just started managing their herd accordingly, other just kept doing the same old thing. </p><p>If you do not want carriers on your place do not buy cattle that could be carriers, if you want to buy some of the cattle from your neighbor and are not sure of their status, see if he will either pay for the test or at least pay for half of the test, if their clean then you are fine, buy them, if their dirty, pass. There are some could club calf genetics out there that are clean, just need to be diligent in your choices. </p><p>The big problem is the hot bulls are carriers and it seems like the next hot bull coming out are sons who are also carriers as well.</p><p>I breed to non-carriers and stay away from the hotter bulls because I try a breed calves where I get a steer or heifer that is usable, if I were to breed for steers only I would sell the heifers as market heifers, not too much to worry about after they push the heifers on feed so hard, if they decided to keep her to breed most wont cycle anyway. </p><p>The cow I have that may be a carrier, came from a mating of an Angus cow to a Sim X bull that turned out to be a carrier, the cow was bred to him prior to the list of carriers coming out. She had a heifer calf for her first calf, that is the cow I still have, the original cow got stifled carrying her second calf and was put down.</p><p></p><p>For those who have them, if they manage them, are honest when they sell heifers, there should be no issues. For those who do not have them in their herd, I understand their desire to keep it out. It is easier to not have to manage a problem, so why invite it in.</p><p></p><p>When you are getting anywhere from $5000 to $25000 for steers out of certain bulls it is hard for people to stop using them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VCC, post: 1095157, member: 6399"] As for the loser part, I think he was trying to say look [u]closer[/u], and missed the c. The club calf industry breeds cattle for shows, that is their goal, which is why they are called Club Calves. How many calves with defects have you heard about or seen from commercial outfits? This discussion has been going on since they found the TH and PHA defects and identified the carriers, some thought that all carriers should have been sent to slaughter; other just started managing their herd accordingly, other just kept doing the same old thing. If you do not want carriers on your place do not buy cattle that could be carriers, if you want to buy some of the cattle from your neighbor and are not sure of their status, see if he will either pay for the test or at least pay for half of the test, if their clean then you are fine, buy them, if their dirty, pass. There are some could club calf genetics out there that are clean, just need to be diligent in your choices. The big problem is the hot bulls are carriers and it seems like the next hot bull coming out are sons who are also carriers as well. I breed to non-carriers and stay away from the hotter bulls because I try a breed calves where I get a steer or heifer that is usable, if I were to breed for steers only I would sell the heifers as market heifers, not too much to worry about after they push the heifers on feed so hard, if they decided to keep her to breed most wont cycle anyway. The cow I have that may be a carrier, came from a mating of an Angus cow to a Sim X bull that turned out to be a carrier, the cow was bred to him prior to the list of carriers coming out. She had a heifer calf for her first calf, that is the cow I still have, the original cow got stifled carrying her second calf and was put down. For those who have them, if they manage them, are honest when they sell heifers, there should be no issues. For those who do not have them in their herd, I understand their desire to keep it out. It is easier to not have to manage a problem, so why invite it in. When you are getting anywhere from $5000 to $25000 for steers out of certain bulls it is hard for people to stop using them. [/QUOTE]
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