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<blockquote data-quote="DLD" data-source="post: 1094834" data-attributes="member: 19707"><p>Oak Creek, I'm not trying to be difficult here - I truly want to know... Can you give us a link or tell us where to find that information promoting clubbie bulls for producing commercial replacements? I'd love to know which particular bulls and why. I'm as much about the showring as anybody, but I'll be the first to say that generally speaking the genetics behind a winning show steer and a good commercial female are miles apart. Now I realize that club calf semen is being sold to anybody that wants it, but I have to believe that there are very few commercial producers that are savvy enough to use AI that aren't researching the genetics they're using. I also realize that when club calf producers can sell calves straight off the cow for five figures, that a whole lot of people want a piece of that action, and many of them aren't taking the time to make wise breeding decisions - I'm not pretending that's a good thing, but it's not an accident. It's that producers fault, period - not the fault of the bull he bred to or the guy that sold him the semen.</p><p></p><p>VCC, I think the PHA deal is fading away much faster than TH. There aren't many new PHA carrier bulls being marketed for semen sales. About the only old PHA carrier still popular is Irish Whiskey, but there are plenty of clean sons out there to use.</p><p></p><p>I agree, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I'm not knocking anybody for theirs. Just sharing mine too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DLD, post: 1094834, member: 19707"] Oak Creek, I'm not trying to be difficult here - I truly want to know... Can you give us a link or tell us where to find that information promoting clubbie bulls for producing commercial replacements? I'd love to know which particular bulls and why. I'm as much about the showring as anybody, but I'll be the first to say that generally speaking the genetics behind a winning show steer and a good commercial female are miles apart. Now I realize that club calf semen is being sold to anybody that wants it, but I have to believe that there are very few commercial producers that are savvy enough to use AI that aren't researching the genetics they're using. I also realize that when club calf producers can sell calves straight off the cow for five figures, that a whole lot of people want a piece of that action, and many of them aren't taking the time to make wise breeding decisions - I'm not pretending that's a good thing, but it's not an accident. It's that producers fault, period - not the fault of the bull he bred to or the guy that sold him the semen. VCC, I think the PHA deal is fading away much faster than TH. There aren't many new PHA carrier bulls being marketed for semen sales. About the only old PHA carrier still popular is Irish Whiskey, but there are plenty of clean sons out there to use. I agree, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I'm not knocking anybody for theirs. Just sharing mine too. [/QUOTE]
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