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<blockquote data-quote="VCC" data-source="post: 1094710" data-attributes="member: 6399"><p>Oak Creek, once a clean bull comes out that produces consistent winners you will see them go away from the carriers, until then I doubt anyone will stop using them. Most clean bulls that do come out get bred to the carrier cows. So it will take time, but club calf breeders are in the business to produce steers that win, not steers that are clean. Even with the market heifer deal, to many people decide to keep them as cows once they get through showing them.</p><p></p><p>As far as EPD's, hard to get EPD's off of a 3 way cross, oh some might be registered Chi, but what is that 8%, for the most part they are shooting for steers, they do not get registered. There are several Sim bulls out there that to make good replacements they are clean, there are also some good Maines but you have to watch PHA. There have been some good clubby bred bulls who have produced great cows, Who made Who, a clean bull has done well.</p><p></p><p> Most bulls have the their carrier status posted, when using clubby genetics for replacements the information for defects is there as long as one does their homework.</p><p></p><p>Most clubby bred bulls are terminal, a few turn out to produce good replacements, for the most part poor milking, small pelvis, is what you are getting from the HeatWave cattle, not a very good recipe for replacements.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VCC, post: 1094710, member: 6399"] Oak Creek, once a clean bull comes out that produces consistent winners you will see them go away from the carriers, until then I doubt anyone will stop using them. Most clean bulls that do come out get bred to the carrier cows. So it will take time, but club calf breeders are in the business to produce steers that win, not steers that are clean. Even with the market heifer deal, to many people decide to keep them as cows once they get through showing them. As far as EPD’s, hard to get EPD’s off of a 3 way cross, oh some might be registered Chi, but what is that 8%, for the most part they are shooting for steers, they do not get registered. There are several Sim bulls out there that to make good replacements they are clean, there are also some good Maines but you have to watch PHA. There have been some good clubby bred bulls who have produced great cows, Who made Who, a clean bull has done well. Most bulls have the their carrier status posted, when using clubby genetics for replacements the information for defects is there as long as one does their homework. Most clubby bred bulls are terminal, a few turn out to produce good replacements, for the most part poor milking, small pelvis, is what you are getting from the HeatWave cattle, not a very good recipe for replacements. [/QUOTE]
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