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<blockquote data-quote="snake67" data-source="post: 928535" data-attributes="member: 17764"><p>Hmmm .... must have participated in at least 15 - 20 C-sections in my life - never lost one. I have only done one completely by myself, but have helped the vet many times at my place - nearly 50 years of cattle - bound to have a few C-sections. Worst year we had around 3-400 animals we had three C-sections maybe only two but three seems to stick in my mind.</p><p></p><p>We use a squeeze that we can drop one side down and open up only the top half - keeps the cow in one place. Ours is pretty basic - but I do like the Hi-Hog squeeze. Had this one for at least 10 - 12 years.</p><p></p><p>Shave her back of the last rib - load her up with Lidocaine (we really like this stuff) along her back and down the full length of the incision for freezing and cut vertically. Skin first then the muscle wall. Careful to not cut into anything else. Add freezing if you think it is going to take more than 30 - 40 minutes to do the whole thing other than the final sewing up on completion</p><p></p><p>Keep the cut small enough to prevent the stomach from rolling out. Dig a little for the uterus and make as small a cut as possible to pull the calf. Assistant pulls the calf out while the other holds all the pieces in. Second person then holds the rumen while the first sews the uterine wall up. Then sew up the muscle wall from bottom to top. Dump in a couple of bottles of Pen G - right into the cavity. Finish up the muscle and then sew up the skin. Hit her with a big amount of intramuscular Pen G and leave her penned up for a week with lots of water and just a little hay - to keep the weight and bulk on her side and stomach down a bit.</p><p></p><p>We hit the cow with Pen G every day - some folks like the LA but I go with Pen G - probably just because I have always done it this way.</p><p></p><p>Confirm he went in on the left side?</p><p></p><p>If he did basically what I wrote - it sounds like he either does not do many or he made some cuts too big - making control of parts and pieces a bit difficult.</p><p></p><p>From what you say I would be disappointed - sounds like she was in reasonably good shape and healthy. This should have been a bit if a breeze for the average vet.</p><p></p><p>I know when you have livestock you will have dead stock - but this one would have p!ssed me off a bit. Especially if I had been there to help.</p><p></p><p>Hint for you. That slippery rumen is easier to handle if you have some big dry beach towels to help hold it in place. Gives you a better grip.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, if he did roughly what I outlined it should not have ended the way it did - sounds like there was some bleeding internally. He said something about a poor internal sewing job (?) - wonder what he cut into by accident that he did not mention to you?</p><p></p><p>Do it right, and the cow will stand and chew her cud while you are cutting - never even hardly twitch. If she does twitch, there is not enough freezing in my opinion. Almost everyone of the girls that we operated on and then kept was able to breed back.</p><p></p><p>Hot? Cool her with a hose on the front end and around her bag and belly - low pressure straight out of the hose and not a spray - keeping the water out of the working area. A couple wet towels will help if it gets real hot - just keep soaking them while they sit on her neck and shoulders. Steady stream works well.</p><p></p><p>Best of luck to you if it happens again</p><p></p><p>Hope you never have another one </p><p></p><p>Stay safe</p><p></p><p>Bez</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="snake67, post: 928535, member: 17764"] Hmmm .... must have participated in at least 15 - 20 C-sections in my life - never lost one. I have only done one completely by myself, but have helped the vet many times at my place - nearly 50 years of cattle - bound to have a few C-sections. Worst year we had around 3-400 animals we had three C-sections maybe only two but three seems to stick in my mind. We use a squeeze that we can drop one side down and open up only the top half - keeps the cow in one place. Ours is pretty basic - but I do like the Hi-Hog squeeze. Had this one for at least 10 - 12 years. Shave her back of the last rib - load her up with Lidocaine (we really like this stuff) along her back and down the full length of the incision for freezing and cut vertically. Skin first then the muscle wall. Careful to not cut into anything else. Add freezing if you think it is going to take more than 30 - 40 minutes to do the whole thing other than the final sewing up on completion Keep the cut small enough to prevent the stomach from rolling out. Dig a little for the uterus and make as small a cut as possible to pull the calf. Assistant pulls the calf out while the other holds all the pieces in. Second person then holds the rumen while the first sews the uterine wall up. Then sew up the muscle wall from bottom to top. Dump in a couple of bottles of Pen G - right into the cavity. Finish up the muscle and then sew up the skin. Hit her with a big amount of intramuscular Pen G and leave her penned up for a week with lots of water and just a little hay - to keep the weight and bulk on her side and stomach down a bit. We hit the cow with Pen G every day - some folks like the LA but I go with Pen G - probably just because I have always done it this way. Confirm he went in on the left side? If he did basically what I wrote - it sounds like he either does not do many or he made some cuts too big - making control of parts and pieces a bit difficult. From what you say I would be disappointed - sounds like she was in reasonably good shape and healthy. This should have been a bit if a breeze for the average vet. I know when you have livestock you will have dead stock - but this one would have p!ssed me off a bit. Especially if I had been there to help. Hint for you. That slippery rumen is easier to handle if you have some big dry beach towels to help hold it in place. Gives you a better grip. Anyways, if he did roughly what I outlined it should not have ended the way it did - sounds like there was some bleeding internally. He said something about a poor internal sewing job (?) - wonder what he cut into by accident that he did not mention to you? Do it right, and the cow will stand and chew her cud while you are cutting - never even hardly twitch. If she does twitch, there is not enough freezing in my opinion. Almost everyone of the girls that we operated on and then kept was able to breed back. Hot? Cool her with a hose on the front end and around her bag and belly - low pressure straight out of the hose and not a spray - keeping the water out of the working area. A couple wet towels will help if it gets real hot - just keep soaking them while they sit on her neck and shoulders. Steady stream works well. Best of luck to you if it happens again Hope you never have another one Stay safe Bez [/QUOTE]
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