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<blockquote data-quote="traks44" data-source="post: 503465" data-attributes="member: 7091"><p>Here is my $.02</p><p></p><p>The going figure around here is that a good bull on good flat relativley small pasture can cover about 30-35 cows, sometimes 40. I have seen intensive grazing on pivots where 41 has been hit but thats deff the high end. safer to say about 30-35 cows per bull in this scenario.</p><p></p><p>We run about 20 cows per bull because of the type of mountain pasture we run on during breeeding season and this would be the case in most mountain/range scenarios with large pastures.</p><p></p><p>It would be my opinion that if someone is running less than 15 cows they need to AI, reguardless of breed. If I personally had 20 cows that would be the breaking point for me and I would go buy a good 3-4 year old bull for Around $1500. Someone mentioned that hobby folks or begginers cant spend 2000-4000 on a good bull. On the same token they cant afford to spend money on a crapper bull either because your calf crop will be under par and you will be stuck with a 2000lb paper weight. I hope no one if fooled into believeing that you CANNOT get a solid bull for $1500. for the begginer there should be two different types of bulls, heifer bulls and cow bulls. Heifers being low BW epd and good calving ease versus the growth type of bulls that cows need and can handle. If you are a novice dont be shy go to a few sales and see what prices are and talk to people at the sale. The number one biggest thing I must must must recommend is dont be afriad to ask, you will never learn if you dont ask. I am only 21 and I have pretty much devoted my whole life to the family place and having my own someday and I know my biggest downfall is knowledge and experience at this point and trying to finish college as we speak. I ask questions, go to sales and talk with everyone I possibly can every chance I get,I know I am green. Knowledge is power and so is confidence so dont post pictures on here after you have bought a bull with a timid question such as "what do you think" It doesnt matter what we think on here, it matters if you are happy and if he will work for you and fit into your program. I would much rather see someone post pictures of a new bull and say "here look at this one, I am gonna use him for this this and this, and he is gonna be perfect for what we need". Another work of advice, always always always be happy with what you buy at a sale and never have regrets. Thats why it is upsetting to see people post pictures on here after a sale and then ask what people think, its disheartening. </p><p></p><p>Bull buying a is a pain in the rear, you gotta feed them year round, they can get injured, they can break down fast. they can have poor libido, they might just wonna fight all the time. Buying from a local bull producer is the best idea for a newbi versus buying a no name bull from the sale IMo/</p><p></p><p>Another great way to get some bull information is to call the Semen guys like ABS or select sire or others and tell them what kind of cows you have and they will help you pick out bulls that will benifit you the best. Take that knowledge from the these guys over the phone and go to some bull sales and see what you can come up with.</p><p></p><p>Just a few thoughts...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="traks44, post: 503465, member: 7091"] Here is my $.02 The going figure around here is that a good bull on good flat relativley small pasture can cover about 30-35 cows, sometimes 40. I have seen intensive grazing on pivots where 41 has been hit but thats deff the high end. safer to say about 30-35 cows per bull in this scenario. We run about 20 cows per bull because of the type of mountain pasture we run on during breeeding season and this would be the case in most mountain/range scenarios with large pastures. It would be my opinion that if someone is running less than 15 cows they need to AI, reguardless of breed. If I personally had 20 cows that would be the breaking point for me and I would go buy a good 3-4 year old bull for Around $1500. Someone mentioned that hobby folks or begginers cant spend 2000-4000 on a good bull. On the same token they cant afford to spend money on a crapper bull either because your calf crop will be under par and you will be stuck with a 2000lb paper weight. I hope no one if fooled into believeing that you CANNOT get a solid bull for $1500. for the begginer there should be two different types of bulls, heifer bulls and cow bulls. Heifers being low BW epd and good calving ease versus the growth type of bulls that cows need and can handle. If you are a novice dont be shy go to a few sales and see what prices are and talk to people at the sale. The number one biggest thing I must must must recommend is dont be afriad to ask, you will never learn if you dont ask. I am only 21 and I have pretty much devoted my whole life to the family place and having my own someday and I know my biggest downfall is knowledge and experience at this point and trying to finish college as we speak. I ask questions, go to sales and talk with everyone I possibly can every chance I get,I know I am green. Knowledge is power and so is confidence so dont post pictures on here after you have bought a bull with a timid question such as "what do you think" It doesnt matter what we think on here, it matters if you are happy and if he will work for you and fit into your program. I would much rather see someone post pictures of a new bull and say "here look at this one, I am gonna use him for this this and this, and he is gonna be perfect for what we need". Another work of advice, always always always be happy with what you buy at a sale and never have regrets. Thats why it is upsetting to see people post pictures on here after a sale and then ask what people think, its disheartening. Bull buying a is a pain in the rear, you gotta feed them year round, they can get injured, they can break down fast. they can have poor libido, they might just wonna fight all the time. Buying from a local bull producer is the best idea for a newbi versus buying a no name bull from the sale IMo/ Another great way to get some bull information is to call the Semen guys like ABS or select sire or others and tell them what kind of cows you have and they will help you pick out bulls that will benifit you the best. Take that knowledge from the these guys over the phone and go to some bull sales and see what you can come up with. Just a few thoughts... [/QUOTE]
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