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<blockquote data-quote="dph" data-source="post: 178062" data-attributes="member: 2112"><p>I hear you Simmangus. Would need a clean up bull. In fact, it would be preferable to have one that was good enough to keep replacements out of (assuming you kept your own), and while I know price doesn't dictate quality, probably looking at at $2500 for him if a fellow finds a steal someplace.</p><p></p><p>I disagree though, with the other thought that natural service beats AIing. Think of how far back all breeds would be if not for AIing. And a lot of guys like to have calves out of the big bulls, just like the big breeders do.</p><p></p><p>We are looking at beginning to AI heifers, once we get the head count up just a bit more. Right now, though, we feel AIing cows with calves will be too time and feed consuming. </p><p></p><p><strong>What are the pros and cons of the following:</strong></p><p>What about the guy spending $6-7000+ on the son of some big bull, AIing to him and using him for clean up. I mean he could breed 40+ heifers for two years, maybe several more dependng on the AI job, and you could have around 80 calves out of him at 2 years old. Which may be close to average for a bull's life in natural service, depending on stocking rates, etc. (I would like all of our bulls to make 5 or 6, but unfortunately some don't.)</p><p></p><p>Additionally, you could add one more year using him AI again on the first heifers he bred. (I assume after 2 years, he physically may be too big to breed heifer calves.) Not to mention, if something happens, you could have semen out of him as a bit of an insurance policy. Then he gets put in the pasture rotation on the third or fourth year. If a fellow is running heifers and second calf heifers seperate from the main herd, the daughters out of him wouldn't be there for 4 years, so they would only be around him the last year to two years of his service. As far as breeding him back to a daughter, it would still be a bull by committee situation. (If AIing these cows the odds are even less.)</p><p></p><p>That could increase the calves out of him by 50% or more, and theoritically they would be bred to a better bull. Also all females bred to the same bull might help a little in figuring their performance based on their respective calves. After the first two years, a producer would begin to have some good data to select top cows to AI to the big boys if he wanted.</p><p></p><p>I think it would take around 200-250 cows to get that to work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dph, post: 178062, member: 2112"] I hear you Simmangus. Would need a clean up bull. In fact, it would be preferable to have one that was good enough to keep replacements out of (assuming you kept your own), and while I know price doesn't dictate quality, probably looking at at $2500 for him if a fellow finds a steal someplace. I disagree though, with the other thought that natural service beats AIing. Think of how far back all breeds would be if not for AIing. And a lot of guys like to have calves out of the big bulls, just like the big breeders do. We are looking at beginning to AI heifers, once we get the head count up just a bit more. Right now, though, we feel AIing cows with calves will be too time and feed consuming. [b]What are the pros and cons of the following:[/b] What about the guy spending $6-7000+ on the son of some big bull, AIing to him and using him for clean up. I mean he could breed 40+ heifers for two years, maybe several more dependng on the AI job, and you could have around 80 calves out of him at 2 years old. Which may be close to average for a bull's life in natural service, depending on stocking rates, etc. (I would like all of our bulls to make 5 or 6, but unfortunately some don't.) Additionally, you could add one more year using him AI again on the first heifers he bred. (I assume after 2 years, he physically may be too big to breed heifer calves.) Not to mention, if something happens, you could have semen out of him as a bit of an insurance policy. Then he gets put in the pasture rotation on the third or fourth year. If a fellow is running heifers and second calf heifers seperate from the main herd, the daughters out of him wouldn't be there for 4 years, so they would only be around him the last year to two years of his service. As far as breeding him back to a daughter, it would still be a bull by committee situation. (If AIing these cows the odds are even less.) That could increase the calves out of him by 50% or more, and theoritically they would be bred to a better bull. Also all females bred to the same bull might help a little in figuring their performance based on their respective calves. After the first two years, a producer would begin to have some good data to select top cows to AI to the big boys if he wanted. I think it would take around 200-250 cows to get that to work. [/QUOTE]
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