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<blockquote data-quote="Beef Man" data-source="post: 743843" data-attributes="member: 13859"><p>We were involved with one of the early bull tests in the early 60's. That was leo Mcdonnels test east of billings and at that time it was still " the days of performance testing". Everyone just had to find out how their cattle measured up. It also was a great way to sell bulls. That is how D4 got famous,Ferry Carpenter was acknowlegded,Chris Jackobson hit his high and many others such as the Traveller angus bull was discovered. Nothing wrong with abull test if it is run fair and square but the days of my bull outgaining your bull are over and gone. The many stations that were involved have surved their purpose. Like the expierment station at Ft. Keough,who really set out to provethat cattle could be bred to gain,genectically,they have indeed done that and more. I don'et see any return to just plain gain as there is so many things to consider that are importent and we do know that every breed has such complete records and indepth volume of numbers to use ,that even if your bull does outgain otherson a 140 test. What does that mean anymore? I live in East Mt. and a few breeders,inthe early 60's started a IPR only bull sale. It was a very successfull sale and the well informed commercial cowmen were very happy to support it. At that time there were many other purebred producers that thought that was almost a joke and one even told me that if he had to performance test and keep such records he would quit and he did.[incedentily one of his bulls shows up in the D4 pedigree] The point I'm trying to make we have come a long way and with ????? many breeds and composites of beef cattle today,you can find anything you want and 140 days will not be much of a factor anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beef Man, post: 743843, member: 13859"] We were involved with one of the early bull tests in the early 60's. That was leo Mcdonnels test east of billings and at that time it was still " the days of performance testing". Everyone just had to find out how their cattle measured up. It also was a great way to sell bulls. That is how D4 got famous,Ferry Carpenter was acknowlegded,Chris Jackobson hit his high and many others such as the Traveller angus bull was discovered. Nothing wrong with abull test if it is run fair and square but the days of my bull outgaining your bull are over and gone. The many stations that were involved have surved their purpose. Like the expierment station at Ft. Keough,who really set out to provethat cattle could be bred to gain,genectically,they have indeed done that and more. I don'et see any return to just plain gain as there is so many things to consider that are importent and we do know that every breed has such complete records and indepth volume of numbers to use ,that even if your bull does outgain otherson a 140 test. What does that mean anymore? I live in East Mt. and a few breeders,inthe early 60's started a IPR only bull sale. It was a very successfull sale and the well informed commercial cowmen were very happy to support it. At that time there were many other purebred producers that thought that was almost a joke and one even told me that if he had to performance test and keep such records he would quit and he did.[incedentily one of his bulls shows up in the D4 pedigree] The point I'm trying to make we have come a long way and with ????? many breeds and composites of beef cattle today,you can find anything you want and 140 days will not be much of a factor anymore. [/QUOTE]
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