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<blockquote data-quote="novatech" data-source="post: 743680" data-attributes="member: 5494"><p>When I came on these boards I had 50 some odd years of experience on and off with cattle. I found out what I thought I knew I really did not know. As per my signature.</p><p>What experience has taught me is experience does not mean squat if the knowledge is not there to support it. With cattle knowledge is based on generalities. Experience is what works for you in your herd in your environment.</p><p>I have heard a lot about cattle that can make it on grass alone. Sorry but to me that is a statement without merit. There are a lot of differences in grass. On one hand you have lush pastures of legumes and some other planted forage giving the cattle the squirts. Then on the other hand you have West Texas or other areas that have nothing but sparse natives. So who gets the fame to grass fed cattle? What I think you may be seeing is some people that do not cull properly for hard keepers, or simply are overstocked and have to supplement. People that still creep feed, I think, are doing it out of habit of days past. Feed was once cheap. I'm not from your neck of the woods but down here every cow calf producer raises their cattle on grass. I do not know a soul that runs a cow calf operation in a feed lot. ( there a few city folks that run about 2 cows per acre that have to supplement but I'm speaking of trying to make a profit) So given that wouldn't their bull calves in a feed lot test be just as good in a pasture?</p><p>Now lets go to the other end. If a man raises bulls from hard keepers (those cattle that cannot make it on <strong>grass</strong> pasture) and puts them in a feed lot weight gain test that those bulls will do equally as well as easy fleshing cattle? I would say they may. But most people that spent the money for feed lot tests have also done the proper culling within their herds to eliminate those genetics from their cattle.</p><p>Lets add one more scenario. A man in X land raises his cattle on lush pasture year round. He claims to have cattle that make it on grass. Well he is telling the truth. No feed lot test is done. Some guy buys him and puts him on native pasture where the forage quality is very low. Is the bull going to make it? Would feedlot gain and efficiency tests help in making comparisons? Maybe not because this may have more to do with type. Would grass fed tests work? Maybe not, because doesn,t it depend on the grass the test is being performed on and the grass the bull will be put on after the test.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="novatech, post: 743680, member: 5494"] When I came on these boards I had 50 some odd years of experience on and off with cattle. I found out what I thought I knew I really did not know. As per my signature. What experience has taught me is experience does not mean squat if the knowledge is not there to support it. With cattle knowledge is based on generalities. Experience is what works for you in your herd in your environment. I have heard a lot about cattle that can make it on grass alone. Sorry but to me that is a statement without merit. There are a lot of differences in grass. On one hand you have lush pastures of legumes and some other planted forage giving the cattle the squirts. Then on the other hand you have West Texas or other areas that have nothing but sparse natives. So who gets the fame to grass fed cattle? What I think you may be seeing is some people that do not cull properly for hard keepers, or simply are overstocked and have to supplement. People that still creep feed, I think, are doing it out of habit of days past. Feed was once cheap. I'm not from your neck of the woods but down here every cow calf producer raises their cattle on grass. I do not know a soul that runs a cow calf operation in a feed lot. ( there a few city folks that run about 2 cows per acre that have to supplement but I'm speaking of trying to make a profit) So given that wouldn't their bull calves in a feed lot test be just as good in a pasture? Now lets go to the other end. If a man raises bulls from hard keepers (those cattle that cannot make it on [b]grass[/b] pasture) and puts them in a feed lot weight gain test that those bulls will do equally as well as easy fleshing cattle? I would say they may. But most people that spent the money for feed lot tests have also done the proper culling within their herds to eliminate those genetics from their cattle. Lets add one more scenario. A man in X land raises his cattle on lush pasture year round. He claims to have cattle that make it on grass. Well he is telling the truth. No feed lot test is done. Some guy buys him and puts him on native pasture where the forage quality is very low. Is the bull going to make it? Would feedlot gain and efficiency tests help in making comparisons? Maybe not because this may have more to do with type. Would grass fed tests work? Maybe not, because doesn,t it depend on the grass the test is being performed on and the grass the bull will be put on after the test. [/QUOTE]
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