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<blockquote data-quote="JustSimmental" data-source="post: 828471" data-attributes="member: 14624"><p>yeah I have a neighbor that has about 150 commercial cows that I witnessed buying PB Angus bulls a year ago for 5K per head and after the sale was over I told him he was gonna pay big time for that error in judgement. I told him come weaning day I will be there to console you, LOL</p><p></p><p>About 4 years ago he bought Simmental and SimAngus bulls, but he gave them to his son as he was starting out with cows of his own etc.. most people are still behind the 8 ball on the EPD equivalencies, which is sad to see when people make such expensive errors in bull buying. </p><p></p><p>Here is a chart that has ~ 18 breeds in it where you can evalute bulls based on an even "field of play"</p><p><a href="http://www.beefcattlebiz.com/support-files/abepd.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.beefcattlebiz.com/support-files/abepd.pdf</a>. As you can see, PB Angus have elevated EPD's based on indices from 1974, which there has been a huge change in genetics since that time. What this does is falsify the numbers. For example, looking at Angus and Simmental. </p><p></p><p>If an Angus has a WW EPD of 50 --when you make these numbers equivalent with Simmental you have to correct this number by taking the 50 and subtracting 28 from it, which equals 22 in todays numbers <strong>(after all it is not 1974)-- </strong>which is about right because an Angus has a low weaning weights compared to Simmental, etc..... even in yearling weight again we subtract over 28 from the Angus YW EPD of say--90, which in todays numbers is really a 60-- which is weak. </p><p></p><p>What this does for the cattleman looking for bulls is give them a false set of yesteryear numbers to work from and they make these errors in judgement. </p><p></p><p>My neighbor, who paid 5K a piece for these PB Angus bulls weaned his calves this week. I was there to check them out and these calves were all lighter than past calves that were Simmental influenced. </p><p></p><p><strong>What did he lose?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>150 calves that weighed in , on average, 40 lbs lighter than the previous 6 years when he was using PB Simmental and SimAngus Bulls.</strong> <span style="color: #FF0000"><strong>150 x 40 = 6000 lbs ($1.45/lb) 6000 lbs x $1.45 = $8700.00 LOSS</strong></span>.</p><p></p><p>He bought good Angus bulls (based on numbers from yesteryear), but come pay day that 25K purchase he made for these bulls-- we need to add an additional $8700 of loss on top of it. Basically his bulls lost him money. He can count on another Loss on next years calf crop as all his calves for fall 2011 will be sired by these same Angus Bulls. </p><p></p><p>Another beating he took was having to sell those high dollar bulls for half what he paid for them and he will be returning to us for PB Simmental Bulls in the fall.</p><p></p><p>JustSimms</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JustSimmental, post: 828471, member: 14624"] yeah I have a neighbor that has about 150 commercial cows that I witnessed buying PB Angus bulls a year ago for 5K per head and after the sale was over I told him he was gonna pay big time for that error in judgement. I told him come weaning day I will be there to console you, LOL About 4 years ago he bought Simmental and SimAngus bulls, but he gave them to his son as he was starting out with cows of his own etc.. most people are still behind the 8 ball on the EPD equivalencies, which is sad to see when people make such expensive errors in bull buying. Here is a chart that has ~ 18 breeds in it where you can evalute bulls based on an even "field of play" [url]http://www.beefcattlebiz.com/support-files/abepd.pdf[/url]. As you can see, PB Angus have elevated EPD's based on indices from 1974, which there has been a huge change in genetics since that time. What this does is falsify the numbers. For example, looking at Angus and Simmental. If an Angus has a WW EPD of 50 --when you make these numbers equivalent with Simmental you have to correct this number by taking the 50 and subtracting 28 from it, which equals 22 in todays numbers [b](after all it is not 1974)-- [/b]which is about right because an Angus has a low weaning weights compared to Simmental, etc..... even in yearling weight again we subtract over 28 from the Angus YW EPD of say--90, which in todays numbers is really a 60-- which is weak. What this does for the cattleman looking for bulls is give them a false set of yesteryear numbers to work from and they make these errors in judgement. My neighbor, who paid 5K a piece for these PB Angus bulls weaned his calves this week. I was there to check them out and these calves were all lighter than past calves that were Simmental influenced. [b]What did he lose? 150 calves that weighed in , on average, 40 lbs lighter than the previous 6 years when he was using PB Simmental and SimAngus Bulls.[/b] [color=#FF0000][b]150 x 40 = 6000 lbs ($1.45/lb) 6000 lbs x $1.45 = $8700.00 LOSS[/b][/color]. He bought good Angus bulls (based on numbers from yesteryear), but come pay day that 25K purchase he made for these bulls-- we need to add an additional $8700 of loss on top of it. Basically his bulls lost him money. He can count on another Loss on next years calf crop as all his calves for fall 2011 will be sired by these same Angus Bulls. Another beating he took was having to sell those high dollar bulls for half what he paid for them and he will be returning to us for PB Simmental Bulls in the fall. JustSimms [/QUOTE]
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