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<blockquote data-quote="Angus Cowman" data-source="post: 622800" data-attributes="member: 8829"><p>I wasn't meaning that only his top bulls will improve my cows but the improvement I have seen is over the breeds avg bulls that are fine and productive bulls but, If I can spend $5000 over $2500 and get the better returns on my carcass I am money ahead in buying the $5000 bull, there is no theory I have the data to back it up </p><p>I have had to prove it to several cowmen I actually even let a guy use 1 bull just to prove my point we done a test on 25 of his cows ranging in age from 4-8 yrs of age and they were fed the same as the rest of his cows and he had a Bull that was a good bull and a little above the breed avg</p><p>when we weaned his calves the calves out of my bulls ran and avg of 27 lbs more on heifers and 41lbs heavier on steers </p><p>at a $1.20per lb on heifer they brought him $32.40 more per hd and on the steers at$1.29 pr lb they brought him $52.89 more per hd </p><p>I was always told that the bull is 50% of your calves well if the right selection is made you can make that 50% pay more </p><p>he was selling at weaning if a person sells on the rail they have to breed for the carcass not jut weaning weights </p><p></p><p>I have had several people tell me that I can buy a bull for what you lease one out for yes they can but they can't buy the same quality it is like going to look at tractors a used 100hp tractor for 25,000 or they can buy a new 50hp tractor for that same $25000 yes they cost the same but you sure don't have the same product </p><p>I am probably gonna piss some off with this statement but it holds true </p><p>Most small Reg. seedstock producers are multipliers and not breeders yes they might sell a few register bulls or hfrs but they don't have the resources to be on the edge because if you are buying semen you are buying what someone else has already proven to be a good product and you try and use different matings and it don't work you have spent alot of money that was for nothing and it is hard for a small producer to absorb much of that</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Angus Cowman, post: 622800, member: 8829"] I wasn't meaning that only his top bulls will improve my cows but the improvement I have seen is over the breeds avg bulls that are fine and productive bulls but, If I can spend $5000 over $2500 and get the better returns on my carcass I am money ahead in buying the $5000 bull, there is no theory I have the data to back it up I have had to prove it to several cowmen I actually even let a guy use 1 bull just to prove my point we done a test on 25 of his cows ranging in age from 4-8 yrs of age and they were fed the same as the rest of his cows and he had a Bull that was a good bull and a little above the breed avg when we weaned his calves the calves out of my bulls ran and avg of 27 lbs more on heifers and 41lbs heavier on steers at a $1.20per lb on heifer they brought him $32.40 more per hd and on the steers at$1.29 pr lb they brought him $52.89 more per hd I was always told that the bull is 50% of your calves well if the right selection is made you can make that 50% pay more he was selling at weaning if a person sells on the rail they have to breed for the carcass not jut weaning weights I have had several people tell me that I can buy a bull for what you lease one out for yes they can but they can't buy the same quality it is like going to look at tractors a used 100hp tractor for 25,000 or they can buy a new 50hp tractor for that same $25000 yes they cost the same but you sure don't have the same product I am probably gonna piss some off with this statement but it holds true Most small Reg. seedstock producers are multipliers and not breeders yes they might sell a few register bulls or hfrs but they don't have the resources to be on the edge because if you are buying semen you are buying what someone else has already proven to be a good product and you try and use different matings and it don't work you have spent alot of money that was for nothing and it is hard for a small producer to absorb much of that [/QUOTE]
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