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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 12606"><p>Number one, there isn't anything inherently unhealthy will downer cows. Anything that can't walk in under it's own power is so classified. It could be caused from anything from very serious - BSE, to nothing serious healthwise - pinched nerve during calving. Neighbor just had a cow go down last week, she slipped on the ice and broke her hip. Disposing of them on the farm isn't as easy as one would think. Burning a large animal carcass in some areas is illegal, as is dragging them into the woods for the varmints or even direct buriel in some cases. If they go to the renderer it costs both a fee plus the lose of the animal at least at slaughter there is a small monitary return. If you think beef producers have been on a slim margin you should check out the dairy industry. Up until a couple of months ago, the cost of production was running in some cases as high as 15% over milk price. Any small return is better then loosing it all. Yup, we'll take it in the shorts, I think for the short term. It may not get back to the artificial highs that we've recently had, but it will come back. It's time to suck it up and hang on. If you dump your animals now you'll really get hammered. The latest new is that it was a 4 year old cow. The question is, where would it have contracted it from. That would be shear speculation, but it could have been from none cattle feed that was either accidentally fed or the cow got into inadvertantly on her own. Or it could be a natural mutation that may occur in issolated cases. USDA (the government) must be proactive in containing this problem. Over reaction may very well be required to re-assure the consumer of the safety of the food supply.</p><p></p><p>dun</p><p></p><p>> I reckon I'll catch a lot of hell</p><p>> for some of the comments below, so</p><p>> anybody can fire away if they want</p><p>> to; I've got broad shoulders and</p><p>> you won't hurt my feelings! I know</p><p>> we only have one apparent case to</p><p>> deal with at this time and I sure</p><p>> as hell hope it's not the tip of a</p><p>> big iceberg of discoveries. We</p><p>> don't need to get hysterical but</p><p>> we sure can't be as nonchalant</p><p>> about it as we may have been only</p><p>> a few days ago.</p><p></p><p>> I think we are all going to take a</p><p>> pretty severe financial hit as a</p><p>> result of this BSE finding</p><p>> (assuming it will be confirmed)</p><p>> but its not at all surprising to</p><p>> me and I've been expecting it, as</p><p>> I imagine many of you have. After</p><p>> it turned up in Canada, albeit one</p><p>> case only, I felt it was just a</p><p>> matter of time for the USA. I just</p><p>> hope our "hit" is not</p><p>> anywhere near as severe as what</p><p>> our friends to the north, and in</p><p>> Europe, have experienced. I don't</p><p>> think that the American consumer</p><p>> will make a hysterically mass</p><p>> exodus away from beef but of</p><p>> course our export market will, and</p><p>> already has, been severely</p><p>> impacted.</p><p></p><p>> I've always been extremely</p><p>> irritated by the possiblity or</p><p>> practice of downer cows entering</p><p>> the human food chain in the first</p><p>> place, and feel it is just plain</p><p>> ridiculous for the feds and our</p><p>> laws to allow that to happen. In</p><p>> my opinion downers ought to be</p><p>> shot and burned on the farm or</p><p>> possibly become dog and cat food,</p><p>> nothing else.</p><p></p><p>> And if the ag. secretary's</p><p>> comments are correct, as to the</p><p>> illegality of using animal tissue</p><p>> in cattle feed since the early</p><p>> 1990's --- and if BSE is only</p><p>> spread in animals by the</p><p>> consumption of contaminated brain,</p><p>> spinal, etc. parts --- I wonder</p><p>> how the hell the cow in Wash. got</p><p>> it. Illegal feed? Perhaps from</p><p>> some non-U.S. source? Perhaps the</p><p>> Wash. animal was very old and had</p><p>> prohibited feed many years ago?</p><p>> I'm too ignorant to be able to</p><p>> imagine all the possibilities.</p><p></p><p>> But I for one would like to see</p><p>> some SEVERE monetary and federal</p><p>> "pen" time penalties put</p><p>> into the law (if they aren't</p><p>> already there) for anyone proven</p><p>> beyond a reasonable doubt to</p><p>> knowingly concoct, mix, sell or</p><p>> feed anything to cattle that was</p><p>> composed of the prohibited animal</p><p>> parts; provisions that are clearly</p><p>> spelled out in law and</p><p>> communicated to all parties to</p><p>> whom the law could conceivably</p><p>> affect, with some real teeth.</p><p></p><p>> I have always been wary and</p><p>> untrusting of many of the policies</p><p>> of "big government", but</p><p>> we all know there are laws that</p><p>> are too commonly broken by folks</p><p>> that are just plain greedy and</p><p>> unscrupulous, often without any</p><p>> corresponding consequence to the</p><p>> lawbreaker. This BSE related issue</p><p>> is one where I think we need a</p><p>> much more highly visable and</p><p>> proactive governmental</p><p>> involvement.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> <a href="mailto:alldunmovin@yahoo.com">alldunmovin@yahoo.com</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 12606"] Number one, there isn't anything inherently unhealthy will downer cows. Anything that can't walk in under it's own power is so classified. It could be caused from anything from very serious - BSE, to nothing serious healthwise - pinched nerve during calving. Neighbor just had a cow go down last week, she slipped on the ice and broke her hip. Disposing of them on the farm isn't as easy as one would think. Burning a large animal carcass in some areas is illegal, as is dragging them into the woods for the varmints or even direct buriel in some cases. If they go to the renderer it costs both a fee plus the lose of the animal at least at slaughter there is a small monitary return. If you think beef producers have been on a slim margin you should check out the dairy industry. Up until a couple of months ago, the cost of production was running in some cases as high as 15% over milk price. Any small return is better then loosing it all. Yup, we'll take it in the shorts, I think for the short term. It may not get back to the artificial highs that we've recently had, but it will come back. It's time to suck it up and hang on. If you dump your animals now you'll really get hammered. The latest new is that it was a 4 year old cow. The question is, where would it have contracted it from. That would be shear speculation, but it could have been from none cattle feed that was either accidentally fed or the cow got into inadvertantly on her own. Or it could be a natural mutation that may occur in issolated cases. USDA (the government) must be proactive in containing this problem. Over reaction may very well be required to re-assure the consumer of the safety of the food supply. dun > I reckon I'll catch a lot of hell > for some of the comments below, so > anybody can fire away if they want > to; I've got broad shoulders and > you won't hurt my feelings! I know > we only have one apparent case to > deal with at this time and I sure > as hell hope it's not the tip of a > big iceberg of discoveries. We > don't need to get hysterical but > we sure can't be as nonchalant > about it as we may have been only > a few days ago. > I think we are all going to take a > pretty severe financial hit as a > result of this BSE finding > (assuming it will be confirmed) > but its not at all surprising to > me and I've been expecting it, as > I imagine many of you have. After > it turned up in Canada, albeit one > case only, I felt it was just a > matter of time for the USA. I just > hope our "hit" is not > anywhere near as severe as what > our friends to the north, and in > Europe, have experienced. I don't > think that the American consumer > will make a hysterically mass > exodus away from beef but of > course our export market will, and > already has, been severely > impacted. > I've always been extremely > irritated by the possiblity or > practice of downer cows entering > the human food chain in the first > place, and feel it is just plain > ridiculous for the feds and our > laws to allow that to happen. In > my opinion downers ought to be > shot and burned on the farm or > possibly become dog and cat food, > nothing else. > And if the ag. secretary's > comments are correct, as to the > illegality of using animal tissue > in cattle feed since the early > 1990's --- and if BSE is only > spread in animals by the > consumption of contaminated brain, > spinal, etc. parts --- I wonder > how the hell the cow in Wash. got > it. Illegal feed? Perhaps from > some non-U.S. source? Perhaps the > Wash. animal was very old and had > prohibited feed many years ago? > I'm too ignorant to be able to > imagine all the possibilities. > But I for one would like to see > some SEVERE monetary and federal > "pen" time penalties put > into the law (if they aren't > already there) for anyone proven > beyond a reasonable doubt to > knowingly concoct, mix, sell or > feed anything to cattle that was > composed of the prohibited animal > parts; provisions that are clearly > spelled out in law and > communicated to all parties to > whom the law could conceivably > affect, with some real teeth. > I have always been wary and > untrusting of many of the policies > of "big government", but > we all know there are laws that > are too commonly broken by folks > that are just plain greedy and > unscrupulous, often without any > corresponding consequence to the > lawbreaker. This BSE related issue > is one where I think we need a > much more highly visable and > proactive governmental > involvement. [email=alldunmovin@yahoo.com]alldunmovin@yahoo.com[/email] [/QUOTE]
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