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<blockquote data-quote="cmjust0" data-source="post: 199854" data-attributes="member: 2882"><p>You weren't trying to run my country then, and I don't drink coffee.. :lol: :lol: :lol: </p><p></p><p>Seriously, though, there's little doubt in my mind that if the two of us met in person, we'd have more in common than not. I'd still give you a real hard time over NAIS, but.... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Things tend to seem more harsh when read versus heard, put it that way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I already know that people are tinkering with NAIS, and that it's not going to come out any better for it. That's why as active as I am with this issue.</p><p></p><p>See, you're clearly convinced that a mandatory animal ID and surveillance system WILL come to the US, whereas I'm not. I think there are other solutions, like carcass testing.. I also think that NAIS has been *designed* to be a hardship for the small producer, in an effort to streamline the production of food in the US.. That's not something I want to see happen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I keep hearing R-CALF come up, and I feel it's important to point out that I'm not a member.. I've also heard several times that I shouldn't keep "looking inward" and so on, which suggests that I'm seen as somebody who wants to shut the borders down and keep them shut.. That's not the case. My opposition to NAIS has *zero, zilch, nada* to do with keeping borders closed. My opposition stems entirely from the erosion of personal liberties and privacy in the United States today.. I see NAIS as an enemy of freedom. That's all. Don't confuse the issue..</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, it seems that you at least you got to have some input, Bez!.. NAIS has kinda just been sprung on a lot of us, without any input at all.. Those which will be affected have not had fair representation. The only input that's been considered has been the input of the meatpacking industry, who basically wrote the doggone thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it wasn't meant literally. :lol: It was another one of those "read vs. heard" things, I think..</p><p></p><p>Anyway, of course a producer driven system would lower my BP.. I've said before that I wouldn't be NEARLY as concerned over NAIS if it didn't apply to people who aren't producing for the marketplace. But, it does.</p><p></p><p>Quite frankly, the more you describe your own system (fair input considered, producer driven, transparent planning and implementation, etc) the more clear it becomes that your own system is NOTHING like NAIS, save the fact that it deals with animal ID.. </p><p></p><p>What I'm trying to get across to you is that the NAIS debate in the US isn't just about ID'ing or not ID'ing animals.. It's about rights, freedoms, and priveleges afforded by the US Constitution... </p><p></p><p>If it were only about animal ID and wasn't going to curtail a bunch of rights, I wouldn't even mention the fact that you're Canadian.</p><p></p><p>I dunno how much more clear I can make that point..</p><p></p><p></p><p>I am thinking outside the box.. The box, as far as I can see, is the thought that NAIS is the answer, and that we should just focus on tweaking it.. I refuse to believe that.</p><p></p><p>And, again, if we met in person, we'd walk away as friends. You might not believe this, but I'm actually a pretty nice guy.. I just hate it when people stand idly by and watch our rights go down the toilet... I guess it especially galls me to think that someone who won't even suffer *all* the consequences wants to help flush.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel like you're not presenting opposition only because you CAN'T present opposition, legally speaking. I also feel like, if you were given a vote, you'd vote in favor of NAIS -- though, again, you wouldn't suffer all the consequences.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what's riling me about this whole thing.. I don't think you're simply standing back, offering tips and suggestions, but that you're pushing the agenda.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, i'm not looking inward, outward, or sideways.. I'm looking square at the US government <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite4" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":mad:" /> . I don't really care if the borders are open or closed -- what I care about is the old lady up the road with half a dozen laying hens who's about to become a criminal, and doesn't even know it.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if there's any way for me to make you understand that, but that's how I feel. </p><p></p><p></p><p>C'mon, Bez.. That's not true and you know it. Please spare me the "I'm over here minding my own business" routine. :roll: You've demonstrated that you believe NAIS to be a good idea, which means that you have more than just unbiased advice -- you've got an agenda.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What I'm interested in ensuring is the continuation of family farms, the retention of rights and freedoms, and the safety of the American people. </p><p></p><p>For my money, carcass testing accomplishes those goals.. NAIS doesn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You too! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cmjust0, post: 199854, member: 2882"] You weren't trying to run my country then, and I don't drink coffee.. :lol: :lol: :lol: Seriously, though, there's little doubt in my mind that if the two of us met in person, we'd have more in common than not. I'd still give you a real hard time over NAIS, but.... :) Things tend to seem more harsh when read versus heard, put it that way. I already know that people are tinkering with NAIS, and that it's not going to come out any better for it. That's why as active as I am with this issue. See, you're clearly convinced that a mandatory animal ID and surveillance system WILL come to the US, whereas I'm not. I think there are other solutions, like carcass testing.. I also think that NAIS has been *designed* to be a hardship for the small producer, in an effort to streamline the production of food in the US.. That's not something I want to see happen. I keep hearing R-CALF come up, and I feel it's important to point out that I'm not a member.. I've also heard several times that I shouldn't keep "looking inward" and so on, which suggests that I'm seen as somebody who wants to shut the borders down and keep them shut.. That's not the case. My opposition to NAIS has *zero, zilch, nada* to do with keeping borders closed. My opposition stems entirely from the erosion of personal liberties and privacy in the United States today.. I see NAIS as an enemy of freedom. That's all. Don't confuse the issue.. Well, it seems that you at least you got to have some input, Bez!.. NAIS has kinda just been sprung on a lot of us, without any input at all.. Those which will be affected have not had fair representation. The only input that's been considered has been the input of the meatpacking industry, who basically wrote the doggone thing. No, it wasn't meant literally. :lol: It was another one of those "read vs. heard" things, I think.. Anyway, of course a producer driven system would lower my BP.. I've said before that I wouldn't be NEARLY as concerned over NAIS if it didn't apply to people who aren't producing for the marketplace. But, it does. Quite frankly, the more you describe your own system (fair input considered, producer driven, transparent planning and implementation, etc) the more clear it becomes that your own system is NOTHING like NAIS, save the fact that it deals with animal ID.. What I'm trying to get across to you is that the NAIS debate in the US isn't just about ID'ing or not ID'ing animals.. It's about rights, freedoms, and priveleges afforded by the US Constitution... If it were only about animal ID and wasn't going to curtail a bunch of rights, I wouldn't even mention the fact that you're Canadian. I dunno how much more clear I can make that point.. I am thinking outside the box.. The box, as far as I can see, is the thought that NAIS is the answer, and that we should just focus on tweaking it.. I refuse to believe that. And, again, if we met in person, we'd walk away as friends. You might not believe this, but I'm actually a pretty nice guy.. I just hate it when people stand idly by and watch our rights go down the toilet... I guess it especially galls me to think that someone who won't even suffer *all* the consequences wants to help flush. I feel like you're not presenting opposition only because you CAN'T present opposition, legally speaking. I also feel like, if you were given a vote, you'd vote in favor of NAIS -- though, again, you wouldn't suffer all the consequences. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what's riling me about this whole thing.. I don't think you're simply standing back, offering tips and suggestions, but that you're pushing the agenda. Again, i'm not looking inward, outward, or sideways.. I'm looking square at the US government :mad: . I don't really care if the borders are open or closed -- what I care about is the old lady up the road with half a dozen laying hens who's about to become a criminal, and doesn't even know it. I don't know if there's any way for me to make you understand that, but that's how I feel. C'mon, Bez.. That's not true and you know it. Please spare me the "I'm over here minding my own business" routine. :roll: You've demonstrated that you believe NAIS to be a good idea, which means that you have more than just unbiased advice -- you've got an agenda. What I'm interested in ensuring is the continuation of family farms, the retention of rights and freedoms, and the safety of the American people. For my money, carcass testing accomplishes those goals.. NAIS doesn't. You too! :D [/QUOTE]
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