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<blockquote data-quote="cmjust0" data-source="post: 199477" data-attributes="member: 2882"><p>By pushing for NAIS, you're telling me -- and other Americans -- how we should want our government to operate.</p><p></p><p>The argument for NAIS is that a BSE outbreak will kill the industry... We just had a case confirmed.. Did the world come crashing down, like the USDA has been saying it would? No. Do I care where this cow came from? Sure. Am I willing to give up my right to privacy and my right as a human being to raise my own food without government permission to find out where it came from? No, I'm not. What you seem to forget is that NAIS does *NOT* just affect the beef industry. It affects anyone who raises livestock, regardless of it's intended use. I, for one (maybe the ONLY one here), care about the kid who won't be able to raise a goat for 4H because his/her parents don't want to have to cut through the red tape of NAIS.. I also care about the little old lady down the road who will soon be a lawbreaker, because she raises half a dozen brown egg layers for her own amusement... But, AGAIN, what do you care?? You're Canadian. None of that means anything to you, because you don't have to deal with the 'side effects' of something like NAIS.. You only see the benefit, so you push for it.. Here in the states, we call that SELFISH.. What do you call it up there??</p><p></p><p>Well, I'm a good person and a good American, so I'm addressing NAIS that it might not be imposed upon me and everyone else.. How ironic that you do nothing but complain about that..</p><p></p><p>Well, you won't find me blathering on about Canadian laws or proposals, because I wouldn't be such so naive or selfish or egotistical as to believe that I had any right to do so.. BUT, that's just me.</p><p></p><p>You're not interfering with my rights -- you're just trying to exercise rights that you don't have.. Furthermore, you don't have to tell me that you're not holding an anvil over my head -- you couldn't if you WANTED to.. For you to think that you even COULD hold an anvil over my head when it comes to matters of US Law is just another illustration of whatever delusion from which you apparently suffer.. Let me remind you again: You're Canadian, and as such, you don't get a say on NAIS. Period.</p><p></p><p>Thanks, Mr. Obvious. You're a real life saver. :lol: Why do you think I'm speaking out against NAIS, genius? :roll: </p><p></p><p>NAIS is part of the problem, and is certainly not the solution. It might solve some of YOUR problems, but not mine.. Luckily for me, I'm an American, so I get a say. And, luckily for ME again, you're not, so you don't.</p><p></p><p>This is not all about fiscal losses and gains -- it's about freedom. It's about privacy. It's about not having to request government permission to raise a damned chicken. But, AGAIN (and again, and again, and again :shock: ) you're not subject to US Law, so you have no reason to care about any of that, do you?? You don't have to deal with *ALL* of the consequences of NAIS, do you?? No, no, no... You just get to enjoy some 'fiscal' benefit, as ever more of OUR rights go down the toilet.. </p><p></p><p>No sir.. Not without a fight. Until you move to the US and put yourself in a position to reap *EVERYTHING* you're working so hard to sow, I'll contest you every single step of the way.. Bank on it.</p><p></p><p>I'm working to raise awareness about NAIS, and I've found that about 90% of the people I talk to -- in person -- here in the states are OPPOSED to it. Many of them are crusty old cattlemen, too. </p><p></p><p>I think I answered all your questions, but I'm sure you'll let me know.. And, it's funny you should mention friends, because I had the opportunity to talk with an old friend of mine the other day about NAIS.. His dad is a State Representative.. My friend didn't know anything about NAIS, but boy he does now. He told me he'd talk to his dad about it, too, cause he didn't know how up to speed his dad was on the whole thing. That good enough for ya? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> You're right, you never know where you'll run into a friend.</p><p></p><p>In closing, again, you couldn't take my rights away if you wanted to. They're gauranteed by the U.S. Constitution. The only ones who can take my rights away are legislators, and I'm working pretty hard to make sure that doesn't happen..</p><p></p><p>(P.S. -- Judging by all the opposition springing up outside this little corner of the internet, *I'm winning*. )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cmjust0, post: 199477, member: 2882"] By pushing for NAIS, you're telling me -- and other Americans -- how we should want our government to operate. The argument for NAIS is that a BSE outbreak will kill the industry... We just had a case confirmed.. Did the world come crashing down, like the USDA has been saying it would? No. Do I care where this cow came from? Sure. Am I willing to give up my right to privacy and my right as a human being to raise my own food without government permission to find out where it came from? No, I'm not. What you seem to forget is that NAIS does *NOT* just affect the beef industry. It affects anyone who raises livestock, regardless of it's intended use. I, for one (maybe the ONLY one here), care about the kid who won't be able to raise a goat for 4H because his/her parents don't want to have to cut through the red tape of NAIS.. I also care about the little old lady down the road who will soon be a lawbreaker, because she raises half a dozen brown egg layers for her own amusement... But, AGAIN, what do you care?? You're Canadian. None of that means anything to you, because you don't have to deal with the 'side effects' of something like NAIS.. You only see the benefit, so you push for it.. Here in the states, we call that SELFISH.. What do you call it up there?? Well, I'm a good person and a good American, so I'm addressing NAIS that it might not be imposed upon me and everyone else.. How ironic that you do nothing but complain about that.. Well, you won't find me blathering on about Canadian laws or proposals, because I wouldn't be such so naive or selfish or egotistical as to believe that I had any right to do so.. BUT, that's just me. You're not interfering with my rights -- you're just trying to exercise rights that you don't have.. Furthermore, you don't have to tell me that you're not holding an anvil over my head -- you couldn't if you WANTED to.. For you to think that you even COULD hold an anvil over my head when it comes to matters of US Law is just another illustration of whatever delusion from which you apparently suffer.. Let me remind you again: You're Canadian, and as such, you don't get a say on NAIS. Period. Thanks, Mr. Obvious. You're a real life saver. :lol: Why do you think I'm speaking out against NAIS, genius? :roll: NAIS is part of the problem, and is certainly not the solution. It might solve some of YOUR problems, but not mine.. Luckily for me, I'm an American, so I get a say. And, luckily for ME again, you're not, so you don't. This is not all about fiscal losses and gains -- it's about freedom. It's about privacy. It's about not having to request government permission to raise a damned chicken. But, AGAIN (and again, and again, and again :shock: ) you're not subject to US Law, so you have no reason to care about any of that, do you?? You don't have to deal with *ALL* of the consequences of NAIS, do you?? No, no, no... You just get to enjoy some 'fiscal' benefit, as ever more of OUR rights go down the toilet.. No sir.. Not without a fight. Until you move to the US and put yourself in a position to reap *EVERYTHING* you're working so hard to sow, I'll contest you every single step of the way.. Bank on it. I'm working to raise awareness about NAIS, and I've found that about 90% of the people I talk to -- in person -- here in the states are OPPOSED to it. Many of them are crusty old cattlemen, too. I think I answered all your questions, but I'm sure you'll let me know.. And, it's funny you should mention friends, because I had the opportunity to talk with an old friend of mine the other day about NAIS.. His dad is a State Representative.. My friend didn't know anything about NAIS, but boy he does now. He told me he'd talk to his dad about it, too, cause he didn't know how up to speed his dad was on the whole thing. That good enough for ya? :D You're right, you never know where you'll run into a friend. In closing, again, you couldn't take my rights away if you wanted to. They're gauranteed by the U.S. Constitution. The only ones who can take my rights away are legislators, and I'm working pretty hard to make sure that doesn't happen.. (P.S. -- Judging by all the opposition springing up outside this little corner of the internet, *I'm winning*. ) [/QUOTE]
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