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<blockquote data-quote="Herefords.US" data-source="post: 791481" data-attributes="member: 3972"><p>The Lents bulls will outbreed themselves when crossed with other lines of Herefords. Because they are linebred and so genetically different than most "modern" Herefords, it's basically a form of heterosis within the breed. Cross them on cows of other breeds and you can get some amazing results.</p><p></p><p>However, when you stack another Lents bull on top of the offspring of a Lents bull, you're going to see that "heterosis" benefit mostly disappear. </p><p></p><p>That is where I think these folks are going to start having problems. Frankly, I think the Lents cattle, as an intact linebred line, are too slow growing and too small at maturity, even for most of the "grassfed" folks. And I think knersie's criticism regarding their capacity and doability in a purely grassfed situation has validity. You can talk about their Anxiety 4th history, but the cattle that Gudgell and Simpson bred were typically larger than the Lents cattle by several hundred pounds at maturity. And today's American cowherd is nowhere near the same as it was in 1881 when Anxiety 4th was imported.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you want to question my credentials, I bred Anxiety 4th Herefords for about 25 years, and was around them even longer. And I first saw a Lents bred Anxiety 4th Hereford over 40 years ago. Yes, I've been to his ranch.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying the Lents cattle have no use. As a tool to perhaps increase marbling, reduce size, or provide some genetic consistency to a varied herd, they may have a place. </p><p></p><p>And I do admire Jim's dedication. He's stuck with it when virtually everyone else bailed...or died. As a linebreeder and knowledge of that technique and its history, he may have no living equal. I just disagree with his selection criteria.</p><p></p><p>George</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herefords.US, post: 791481, member: 3972"] The Lents bulls will outbreed themselves when crossed with other lines of Herefords. Because they are linebred and so genetically different than most "modern" Herefords, it's basically a form of heterosis within the breed. Cross them on cows of other breeds and you can get some amazing results. However, when you stack another Lents bull on top of the offspring of a Lents bull, you're going to see that "heterosis" benefit mostly disappear. That is where I think these folks are going to start having problems. Frankly, I think the Lents cattle, as an intact linebred line, are too slow growing and too small at maturity, even for most of the "grassfed" folks. And I think knersie's criticism regarding their capacity and doability in a purely grassfed situation has validity. You can talk about their Anxiety 4th history, but the cattle that Gudgell and Simpson bred were typically larger than the Lents cattle by several hundred pounds at maturity. And today's American cowherd is nowhere near the same as it was in 1881 when Anxiety 4th was imported. Now, if you want to question my credentials, I bred Anxiety 4th Herefords for about 25 years, and was around them even longer. And I first saw a Lents bred Anxiety 4th Hereford over 40 years ago. Yes, I've been to his ranch. I'm not saying the Lents cattle have no use. As a tool to perhaps increase marbling, reduce size, or provide some genetic consistency to a varied herd, they may have a place. And I do admire Jim's dedication. He's stuck with it when virtually everyone else bailed...or died. As a linebreeder and knowledge of that technique and its history, he may have no living equal. I just disagree with his selection criteria. George [/QUOTE]
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