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<blockquote data-quote="DiamondSCattleCo" data-source="post: 278237" data-attributes="member: 2862"><p>That links also almost a year old. That link was also discussing purely roughed animals without mineral supplementation (or so I thought). In my area, you simply cannot get away without proper mineral supplementation.</p><p></p><p>In January I had a chance to tour several proper ranches who raise forage developed bulls and I've since read several articles on the topic. In my area, green grass runs around 12% protein. 1st cut alfalfa usually around 15 - 18%. 2nd cut usually a couple points higher. I discovered that I was overfeeding my developing bulls by a long shot, even with a measly 8 or 10 lbs of whole oats. When I got back to the ranch, I mixed some straw in with the hay, dropped the grain completely from their diets (over the span of a week). What I saw was no decrease in weight gain per day, no reduction in muscling, and excellent sperm counts that spring. 1 year does not an expert make, especially given the limited number of animals I was feeding, however the proper forage developed bulls I saw were not lacking in muscling, development, or semen counts. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps if you tried to raise bulls on poor forage I can see supplementation up to the 12% protein range being necessary, but I see some of these bull developers socking feeder cattle rations to their animals, and all thats doing is covering up flaws and ensuring that bull will fall apart when he hits the range. Not saying thats what you're doing Sainty as I have no idea what protein levels your corn and forage is at, but when I travel to the purebred sales in my area, I see too much of that "fed to genetic potential" junk.</p><p></p><p>Rod</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DiamondSCattleCo, post: 278237, member: 2862"] That links also almost a year old. That link was also discussing purely roughed animals without mineral supplementation (or so I thought). In my area, you simply cannot get away without proper mineral supplementation. In January I had a chance to tour several proper ranches who raise forage developed bulls and I've since read several articles on the topic. In my area, green grass runs around 12% protein. 1st cut alfalfa usually around 15 - 18%. 2nd cut usually a couple points higher. I discovered that I was overfeeding my developing bulls by a long shot, even with a measly 8 or 10 lbs of whole oats. When I got back to the ranch, I mixed some straw in with the hay, dropped the grain completely from their diets (over the span of a week). What I saw was no decrease in weight gain per day, no reduction in muscling, and excellent sperm counts that spring. 1 year does not an expert make, especially given the limited number of animals I was feeding, however the proper forage developed bulls I saw were not lacking in muscling, development, or semen counts. Perhaps if you tried to raise bulls on poor forage I can see supplementation up to the 12% protein range being necessary, but I see some of these bull developers socking feeder cattle rations to their animals, and all thats doing is covering up flaws and ensuring that bull will fall apart when he hits the range. Not saying thats what you're doing Sainty as I have no idea what protein levels your corn and forage is at, but when I travel to the purebred sales in my area, I see too much of that "fed to genetic potential" junk. Rod [/QUOTE]
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