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<blockquote data-quote="Ridgetop" data-source="post: 1814629" data-attributes="member: 38751"><p><strong>Reports to animal control or Fish and Game when livestock has been taken or dogs killed gets you a pamphlet in the mail "Living with our Wildlife Neighbors".</strong></p><p>We are in the southeast foothills of the San Fernando Valley in southern California. We are only about 20 minutes from downtown Burbank. Technically it is inside the city limits of Los Angeles - no guns allowed. We are surrounded by acreage and through a couple acres of open land we back up to the Angeles National Forest and the Tujunga Wash. We are inundated with coyotes - Burbank city park has signs warning about coyotes. We get cougars every year since they are protected in California. They eat people's pets and livestock. We even have bears wander in occasionally. California cougars are not afraid of people, guns or anything - except <em>packs</em> of dogs. They have been protected too long. Californians have been told that they will not be hurt by cougars, bears, coyotes (who have been attacking children in parks and dogs on leashes). The Walt Disney movie industry has not done any favors to logical thinking about predators. The people who demand safety for wild predators and no hunting laws have never seen one in the wild, or lost livestock. Most of the PETA and animal rights people don't know anything about the real thing.</p><p></p><p>I enjoy watching predators on National Geographic. <strong>We live with them in harmony with our sheep because we keep several livestock guardian dogs. </strong> I would hate to see all the predators eradicated, but I have no problem with hunting them when they are killing livestock or endangering people. </p><p></p><p>We have had them come into our yard from the deep ravine behind our house. One stalked a young man who was doing some brush clearance for us. He thought it was our neighborhood bobcat till he saw the long tail. Luckily, he revved the weedeater at it and since he was a football player and big it ran off. Our dogs chased another one out of the ravine into the yard. When my son came out of the house, he saw it perched on our fence before it headed off across our pasture with the dogs in pursuit. The neighbor in the house across the road has seen them strolling on the coyote trail just below our pasture fence. We have no deer left in the area. </p><p></p><p>About 20 years ago we had 3 different cougars in the neighborhood. One was hanging out near the junior high school watching the children as they walked home from school. Another killed a couple large dogs. If wasn't until a man was attacked riding his bicycle that the Fish and Game did more than tell people to "Be Aware". I told my children when they went out at night to take the dogs with them and if the dogs went after anything to run for the house and let the dogs take care of it. </p><p></p><p>That same year a woman in the west end of the Valley came home (to her residential neighborhood) and as she was getting out of her car saw a cougar approaching on the sidewalk. She did what the animal rights people tell you - raised her arms up and shouted. She was turning to go to her front door 50 feet away when it charged her, and she scrambled back into her car. It jumped on the hood and clawed at the windshield! She was trapped in the car honking the horn until neighbors looked out and called the police who chased it off.</p><p></p><p>That list doesn't show the woman who was running on a San Francisco trail and was killed by a cougar. She had 3 young children. The cougar had 3 cubs. There was a request for donations to help the surviving offspring which raised thousands of dollars. For the children? No. The money was raised for the orphaned cougar cubs. </p><p></p><p>A tagged cougar was found injured last year. He had been around for years in the Santa Monica Mountains. He was euthanized due to injuries and disease. A big memorial was held for hum costing thousands of dollars! Hundreds of people went.</p><p></p><p>A friend in Texas Hill Country breeds working Anatolian livestock guardian dogs and goats. A big cougar was killing calves and sheep in the area. It made the mistake of coming after his goats. His Anatolians killed it - it took 5 of them. It was a huge male - 9' long. The dogs had some injuries but recovered.</p><p></p><p>I will say this - If you hear dogs after a wild cougar, their warning bark actually makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It happened to us on another occasion when our 2 dogs ran off a cougar from the goat pen. </p><p></p><p>Live and let live I say, as long as they don't come after me or mine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridgetop, post: 1814629, member: 38751"] [B]Reports to animal control or Fish and Game when livestock has been taken or dogs killed gets you a pamphlet in the mail "Living with our Wildlife Neighbors".[/B] We are in the southeast foothills of the San Fernando Valley in southern California. We are only about 20 minutes from downtown Burbank. Technically it is inside the city limits of Los Angeles - no guns allowed. We are surrounded by acreage and through a couple acres of open land we back up to the Angeles National Forest and the Tujunga Wash. We are inundated with coyotes - Burbank city park has signs warning about coyotes. We get cougars every year since they are protected in California. They eat people's pets and livestock. We even have bears wander in occasionally. California cougars are not afraid of people, guns or anything - except [I]packs[/I] of dogs. They have been protected too long. Californians have been told that they will not be hurt by cougars, bears, coyotes (who have been attacking children in parks and dogs on leashes). The Walt Disney movie industry has not done any favors to logical thinking about predators. The people who demand safety for wild predators and no hunting laws have never seen one in the wild, or lost livestock. Most of the PETA and animal rights people don't know anything about the real thing. I enjoy watching predators on National Geographic. [B]We live with them in harmony with our sheep because we keep several livestock guardian dogs. [/B] I would hate to see all the predators eradicated, but I have no problem with hunting them when they are killing livestock or endangering people. We have had them come into our yard from the deep ravine behind our house. One stalked a young man who was doing some brush clearance for us. He thought it was our neighborhood bobcat till he saw the long tail. Luckily, he revved the weedeater at it and since he was a football player and big it ran off. Our dogs chased another one out of the ravine into the yard. When my son came out of the house, he saw it perched on our fence before it headed off across our pasture with the dogs in pursuit. The neighbor in the house across the road has seen them strolling on the coyote trail just below our pasture fence. We have no deer left in the area. About 20 years ago we had 3 different cougars in the neighborhood. One was hanging out near the junior high school watching the children as they walked home from school. Another killed a couple large dogs. If wasn't until a man was attacked riding his bicycle that the Fish and Game did more than tell people to "Be Aware". I told my children when they went out at night to take the dogs with them and if the dogs went after anything to run for the house and let the dogs take care of it. That same year a woman in the west end of the Valley came home (to her residential neighborhood) and as she was getting out of her car saw a cougar approaching on the sidewalk. She did what the animal rights people tell you - raised her arms up and shouted. She was turning to go to her front door 50 feet away when it charged her, and she scrambled back into her car. It jumped on the hood and clawed at the windshield! She was trapped in the car honking the horn until neighbors looked out and called the police who chased it off. That list doesn't show the woman who was running on a San Francisco trail and was killed by a cougar. She had 3 young children. The cougar had 3 cubs. There was a request for donations to help the surviving offspring which raised thousands of dollars. For the children? No. The money was raised for the orphaned cougar cubs. A tagged cougar was found injured last year. He had been around for years in the Santa Monica Mountains. He was euthanized due to injuries and disease. A big memorial was held for hum costing thousands of dollars! Hundreds of people went. A friend in Texas Hill Country breeds working Anatolian livestock guardian dogs and goats. A big cougar was killing calves and sheep in the area. It made the mistake of coming after his goats. His Anatolians killed it - it took 5 of them. It was a huge male - 9' long. The dogs had some injuries but recovered. I will say this - If you hear dogs after a wild cougar, their warning bark actually makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It happened to us on another occasion when our 2 dogs ran off a cougar from the goat pen. Live and let live I say, as long as they don't come after me or mine. [/QUOTE]
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