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<blockquote data-quote="simme" data-source="post: 1774511" data-attributes="member: 40418"><p>Some bulls that I consider cow makers - Built Right and Powerdrive. What do they have in common? They are old. Neither were perfect. Built Right carried the spotting gene. Powerdrive was hetero polled. But, they produced some pretty good cows. Neither have the growth numbers of modern "top" bulls.</p><p></p><p>I looked at the top ten bulls for number of simmental calves registered between 11/27/20 and 11/27/21 (those are the dates that ASA reports for their top 50 list - 1 year to 2 years back from today's date). That list should represent the bulls that the breeders expect should sire the "best" calves.</p><p></p><p>I looked at the age of those bulls at the time the calves were born. Average age of those top ten bulls when the calves were born- a little over 4 years old. About 3.5 years old at the time the cows were bred. Oldest bull on the list was 9 y/o. Youngest was a 2 y/o. Rest were 3 to 6 y/o. Three were simangus, rest purebred.</p><p></p><p>Over half of those "top 10" bulls were too young to have sired a cow that has calved and weaned a calf. My point is that many people are choosing bulls too young to be proven cow makers. That proven cow maker and bull maker status comes more as historical data - sometimes when semen is scarce.</p><p></p><p>Might need a discussion on what qualities are most desired in a top cow or top bull. Looks? Performance? Profit? Seems like sometimes those don't line up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simme, post: 1774511, member: 40418"] Some bulls that I consider cow makers - Built Right and Powerdrive. What do they have in common? They are old. Neither were perfect. Built Right carried the spotting gene. Powerdrive was hetero polled. But, they produced some pretty good cows. Neither have the growth numbers of modern "top" bulls. I looked at the top ten bulls for number of simmental calves registered between 11/27/20 and 11/27/21 (those are the dates that ASA reports for their top 50 list - 1 year to 2 years back from today's date). That list should represent the bulls that the breeders expect should sire the "best" calves. I looked at the age of those bulls at the time the calves were born. Average age of those top ten bulls when the calves were born- a little over 4 years old. About 3.5 years old at the time the cows were bred. Oldest bull on the list was 9 y/o. Youngest was a 2 y/o. Rest were 3 to 6 y/o. Three were simangus, rest purebred. Over half of those "top 10" bulls were too young to have sired a cow that has calved and weaned a calf. My point is that many people are choosing bulls too young to be proven cow makers. That proven cow maker and bull maker status comes more as historical data - sometimes when semen is scarce. Might need a discussion on what qualities are most desired in a top cow or top bull. Looks? Performance? Profit? Seems like sometimes those don't line up. [/QUOTE]
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