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<blockquote data-quote="Air gator" data-source="post: 1473319" data-attributes="member: 20755"><p>I used the new Angus DNA test on some calves and let me tell you that either the DNA is right or Epds are right. Can't be both.</p><p>I had a bull calf and his epds based on his parents were quite different than his new ones after the DNA results.</p><p>His YW epd was around 70 and his milk epd was around 21. After DNA testing his YW epd went to 100 and his milk epd went down to +8. This calf's sire has a YW epd of 89 and his mother has a YW epd of 60. You would not expect to have them produce a calf with a YW epd of 100, would you?</p><p></p><p> So, if you are looking at Rampage his DNA test could have had a big impact on his docility epd. It could have dropped his Docility score down very low to a point where it would take a lot of calves to raise it. EXT has a docility epd of -10 but I assure you that many people have animals with EXT in their pedigree that are not dangerous or even awkward. I think it must be the same for Rampage. I think Connealy had 18 Rampage sons in their March 2017 sale. Of those 18, I think two bulls had a docility score of 3. Sixteen had a score of 2. Connnealys have their own docility scoring system of 1 to 5. They cull 4's and 5's and won't sell those</p><p></p><p>The DNA results have been a wake up call for me with regards to epds. I had been skeptical about the new epds when I saw some bulls have their milk epd drop by 20 points. Now, I see epds more as "potential" for individuals and not EVERY calf will reach this potential. So, in the end you have to go with animals you think will work. </p><p></p><p>With regards to bottle calves I have 8 adult cows that I bottle fed. Three are docile and will allow you to pet them. The other four are just like any other cow you would have in the pasture. Unless you have time to pet every cow every day they don't stay tame. I was always told to be careful with the idea of giving bulls or cow treats because the day you don't have any treats the animals might not want to take no for an answer.</p><p></p><p>I think if you have to take a hot stick with you to to be around your animals then it's time you ship some of them. I don't believe anyone on this site is getting rich raising cattle. If you are risking your life then the reward should be much greater than what any of us will make on cows or calves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Air gator, post: 1473319, member: 20755"] I used the new Angus DNA test on some calves and let me tell you that either the DNA is right or Epds are right. Can't be both. I had a bull calf and his epds based on his parents were quite different than his new ones after the DNA results. His YW epd was around 70 and his milk epd was around 21. After DNA testing his YW epd went to 100 and his milk epd went down to +8. This calf's sire has a YW epd of 89 and his mother has a YW epd of 60. You would not expect to have them produce a calf with a YW epd of 100, would you? So, if you are looking at Rampage his DNA test could have had a big impact on his docility epd. It could have dropped his Docility score down very low to a point where it would take a lot of calves to raise it. EXT has a docility epd of -10 but I assure you that many people have animals with EXT in their pedigree that are not dangerous or even awkward. I think it must be the same for Rampage. I think Connealy had 18 Rampage sons in their March 2017 sale. Of those 18, I think two bulls had a docility score of 3. Sixteen had a score of 2. Connnealys have their own docility scoring system of 1 to 5. They cull 4's and 5's and won't sell those The DNA results have been a wake up call for me with regards to epds. I had been skeptical about the new epds when I saw some bulls have their milk epd drop by 20 points. Now, I see epds more as "potential" for individuals and not EVERY calf will reach this potential. So, in the end you have to go with animals you think will work. With regards to bottle calves I have 8 adult cows that I bottle fed. Three are docile and will allow you to pet them. The other four are just like any other cow you would have in the pasture. Unless you have time to pet every cow every day they don't stay tame. I was always told to be careful with the idea of giving bulls or cow treats because the day you don't have any treats the animals might not want to take no for an answer. I think if you have to take a hot stick with you to to be around your animals then it's time you ship some of them. I don't believe anyone on this site is getting rich raising cattle. If you are risking your life then the reward should be much greater than what any of us will make on cows or calves. [/QUOTE]
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